Columbia vs. Uchicago vs. Princeton

I want to major in literature/creative writing, politic or linguistics.

I’m updating colleges on an achievement and I want to tell one of them they’re my first choice but these three are tied and I need help.

I love Columbia’s Core, and location as well as Princeton’s undergraduate focus and Uchicago’s intellectual study body.

However, Columbia is quite politicized and living near the city I should experience something new, Princeton is quite preppy and not intellectual and Uchicago’s weather sucks and traveling back to NY is expensive.

Please add your perspectives.

Chicago weather is not all that bad to be completely honest, pretty comparable to NYC/the east coast. All three will have a highly intellectual student body, and while UChicago and Columbia are considered a bit more “intellectual” based on their stereotypes, I find it hard to believe that the Princeton student body is going to be all that different in terms of intellectualism than the other two schools.

@Berrycupcake I would go for Princeton. It is the strongest overall in your areas of interest and the undergraduate quality and focus is unparalleled really. Also I think in terms of social life and environment it is probably the best of the three. (unless you really want to experience NYC life, which personally I think is not ideal for a 18-20 year-old). Also the campus is the most gorgeous and community is the most cohesive of the three. Also it is more prestigious, has bigger name recognition (while that is not a major factor, especially since the other options are very prestigious themselves, it is another point to be made).

@mtinchicago Yeah I agree, I highly doubt Chicago or Columbia undergrads are more intellectual than Princeton. Probably the opposite is true. At least if you go by major scholarship awards (Rhodes, Marshal etc, Princeton does much better. But maybe that has to do with the fact that the Princeton student body is of slightly higher quality than Columbia or Chicago. I would say Princeton has probably the most intellectual students of all the ivies.

First see where you get in. Second see if they are all equally affordable. If you still have a choice, I’d just go with your personal preference.

Um you don’t casually get to chose between the three… as @happy1 see where you get in and then decide

Umm no one’s “casually” choosing anything. My post specifically states that I’d like to say which is my first choice in an update email I wrote to the admissions committee.

Thanks. Financial aid is definitely a factor. I hear Princeton is the best but is it true that Ivies will match each other’s offers?

Here are the schools’ relative strengths and weaknesses as I see them, based on what I’ve read on this site through the years. I’ll preface by saying that these offer three of the highest-quality undergraduate educations – and probably experiences – in the country and world. You’d be very lucky to be admitted to any of them.

Intellectualism (invert for Pre-Pro ranking)

  1. UChicago
  2. Columbia/Princeton
  • That isn’t to say that there aren’t “life of the mind” types at Princeton or Columbia: Princeton’s senior thesis is a chance to flex one’s intellectual muscles and the Core at Columbia forces students to do that. But I have heard so many kids talk about the debate culture, the difficulty of the coursework, and the overall thirst for rigor and knowledge at UChicago that at least on reputation, it must be the most (overall) intellectual of the three. It also has its own core, so the kids have plenty of shared academic experiences, like their Columbia counterparts.

Undergrad Focus

  1. Princeton (~67% undergrad, with fewer grad students and programs to compete for professors’ time)
  2. UChicago
  3. Columbia

Arts/Entertainment/Restaurants (Culture)

  1. Columbia (all that entertainment and art)
  2. UChicago (best pizza though…)
  3. Princeton (cricket symphony)

Campus Beauty

  1. Princeton
  2. UChicago
  3. Columbia

Resources

  1. Princeton
  2. UChicago
  3. Columbia

Coldest Winters (they all freeze, but…)

  1. UChicago
  2. Columbia
  3. Princeton

Dorms/Food
–> Princeton has the famous eating clubs; aside from them, I don’t really know enough to differentiate the schools.

Overall academic strength
–> Even, or darn near it. Each school has a plethora of highly ranked programs spanning the gamut from hard to soft sciences and humanities.

Columbia offers the most culture, Princeton offers the most beauty and prof interaction, and UChicago offers the most intellectualism and rigor.

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@prezbucky i honestly am curious as to why Chicago does not perform better when it comes to Rhodes scholarships given that it definitely is an intellectual powerhouse and attracts very intellectual kids. lol not sure if you know the answer to this but you are usually very knowledgeable about most things on here so i thought I might ask haha .
Also in my opinion, Princeton is quite more intellectual than Columbia.

I’d go for Princeton as well. Best balance of academics, social life, etc.

@Penn95 I have no idea why UChicago’s Rhodes numbers aren’t great. Level of interest might have something to do with it.

To compare it to other schools we’d need to look at (to start…) the percentage of applicants who become Rhodes scholars – not just the number who obtain the honor.

Assuming relatively equally bright and driven students (always a big assumption, because individuals are individuals…) at the Ivies and Ivy equivalents, if School A had 100 apply and 3 make the cut while School B saw 50 apply and 2 become Rhodesians (ahh, late-night mirth, what a lovely thing you are!), I’d say school B was slightly more efficient at producing Rhodes scholars, while School A was more effective. Pot-banging and chest-thumping ensue between those who count on their fingers and those who analyze.

Maybe School A has twice as many students, accounting for the 100% greater number of apps; but if it has fewer than twice as many, maybe they spend more time pushing students to strive for such honors and opportunities. Or maybe they simply attract kids more likely to strive for such things.

If GPA is an important factor, we need to look at average GPAs at schools, both overall and taking into account how popular each major is at each school, and average GPAs by major. If UChicago has a low Rhodes admit %, maybe grade deflation is a culprit.

But really, I have no idea where UChicago falls in terms of Rhodes efficiency or effectiveness – for all I know, lots of them pursue it and few succeed – but without the simplest analyses and comparisons we can’t really know if they’re just ineffective… or also inefficient.

In junior high, I knew that if I shot enough spitwads at the ceiling, eventually one would stick. Drive and perseverance (and multiple attempts…) produce results. hehe

Regarding the intellectual level of a campus, it is crude and probably not precise to say, maybe, but I think there might be a little bit to this: that the greater the percentage of Social Science and Humanities majors there are, the higher the rate of intellectualism. Those kids write tons of papers and engage in classroom debate probably moreso than the average STEM major. But wait… that only looks at majors that tend to encourage debate.

Can a campus – not just specific majors – act as a magnet for those who love intellectual pursuits? A place where even the comp scientists can knock your block off with their voracity for reading, research, analysis, extrapolation, dissemination and debate? Maybe that’s what we’re after here: yes, schools with a lot of non-pre-professional majors will tend to have a more intellectual vibe… but maybe the truly intellectual kingpins are those schools where the Math kids are arguing over coffee about something in their Lit class.

Maybe having a core pushes that agenda a bit: you can’t dodge the great books or the big thinkers. You are made to care. You will be… intellectualized. :slight_smile:

I figure these three schools can all be very intellectual for whomever seeks that vibe. Because it lacks a core, it might be a little bit easier at Princeton to avoid intellectualism, but then there’s the senior thesis, which must be well researched, structured, reasoned/argued, and written – intellectual with a capital I.

Three very special schools with three very different vibes, but all are great at educating those who wish to learn.

UChicago also has the best dorms – new and shiny. the Mandarin Hotel of dorms … The lack of professional grad schools at Princeton is a double edged sword. If potentially interested in law or business for example, its great to be able to take classes at UChicago Booth and their undergrad programs., Based on pure “snob appeal” I give Princeton the slight edge. You should be so lucky to have these choices.

Ranking as far as how interesting the environment is–

  1. Columbia (culture, food, exciting)
  2. Chicago (culture, food, exciting, but a little further out)
  3. Princeton (town is super boring)

Bad food is a plus. Avoid the college 20 pound weight gain …

Chicago - nice people, Midwestern vibe. Not as in your face.

UChicago English department leads the country (with Berkeley). e.g – Saul Below, Kurt Vonnegut and Phillip Roth. Nothing beats UChicago in Lit/English.,

Since when did bad food become a plus?
What’s next? You need termite infested dorms so you don’t sleep as much and become more studious during college?

Pssh, I don’t believe in that life.
Anyways, as for foods:
http://www.thedailymeal.com/travel/80-best-colleges-food-america-2016-0/slide-79
Columbia is ranked 2 in school foods. And has been for years now.

Princeton is famous for its food club.
Basically, for food, don’t worry in either Columbia or Princeton.

I say for undergrad, you are splitting hairs. All these places are great.
Question is:
Where do you want to be in for 4 years?
Chicago, New York, or Princeton?

“However, Columbia is quite politicized and living near the city I should experience something new, Princeton is quite preppy and not intellectual and Uchicago’s weather sucks and traveling back to NY is expensive.”
Huh?

I hate to break it to you but let me break your previous glorious “images” of these schools.
Princeton is a very intellectual place. I would honestly argue Princeton might be the most intellectual overall in the liberal art universities in the US.
Columbia is as politicized as UChicago and Princeton. And downtown honestly does not affect Columbia much (and nowhere near as it is hyped to be). Columbia is in uptown, not downtown.
And UChicago’s weather sucks? Well, so does Columbia and Princeton in that regard. So don’t fret too much.

Not sure it matters at this point what your first choice is. These colleges are all first choices for many students. Each college will assume that it is your first choice, and since you applied, you would happily attend if selected. if they want you for their class, they will make you an offer.

BTW, ED and SCEA was your opportunity to let the school know they were your first choice.

@Chrchill Chicago has an excellent english department, but this is such an exaggeration. There are quite a few programs at least equally as good. Chicago is not leading the country, but it is one of the best ones.