<p>Columbia2002--that was written in response to Monydad's response to Sac. She questioned easy comparisons of the B/C relationship to other more obvious college relationships, and Monydad accused her of spinning, and then compared the B/C relationship to different colleges at Cornell, which I thought was patently wrong.</p>
<p>Since I've got you jumping down my throat from one side, and Monydad from the other, I think I must have parsed the middle ground pretty well!</p>
<p>Thanks for the defense, Garland. I don't think Monydad accused me of anything, but it's good to "see" you again. I doubt there's any comparable relationship to Barnard/Columbia at another institution, since this developed historically and not from any administrative design, but I was wondering. </p>
<p>A female student doesn't have to choose between applying to Columbia or to Barnard. You can apply to both. On the other hand, you can't apply to both SEAS and Columbia College, or to GS and Columbia College. So, again, Barnard is not a fourth undergraduate college within Columbia. Yet they are intertwined in many different ways.</p>
<p>Sorry but "spin", was a poor choice of words on my part; "spun in every direction" from my post #12 was intended more like everyone has their own take on it, their own opinion, based on what they feel is most germane; no manipulative intent implied. Sac posted Sac's take, in this spirit. Denzera posted a different take, and Columbia2002 had yet another take. All different.</p>
<p>I did not intend to "jump down anyone's throat". My own "spin" on this will be formulated based on what I learn from my daughter, about the degree of integration of the student experience once there, over the next few years.</p>
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A female student doesn't have to choose between applying to Columbia or to Barnard. You can apply to both.
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<p>Of course one can apply to both and many do so. However, the two basic curriculae are quite different and a well-informed applicant will be better equipped to make an intelligent assessment of their preferences regarding the two schools. Female applicants have wonderful choices when considering Columbia/Seas and Barnard and if one were to consider an early application to either college, one should be very well-informed regarding the differences.</p>
<p>I agree absolutely, churchmusicmom. I was pointing out that the fact you can apply to both, while you cannot apply to SEAS as well as CC, is further proof Barnard is not a fourth undergraduate college at Columbia as someone had stated earlier. I wasn't recommending that a student should necessarily apply to both. Depends on the student.</p>
<p>For the record, I believe Barnard is not only a great college, but an asset for Columbia students. (Waits for rain of stones on head.)</p>
<p>it sure was an asset for me!</p>
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<li>lived in plimpton (a barnard dorm) for 2 years</li>
<li>dated several barnard girls, including one for 2 years (!)</li>
<li>free tickets to stuff as a result of living in plimpton</li>
<li>hewitt dining hall's grill and entrees > john jay's dining hall grill and entrees
(reverse is true on salads and desserts tho)</li>
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<p>etc.</p>
<p>Hi Monydad,</p>
<p>Cornell has many campus; Ithaca, Medical Schools in NYC and Qatar, Cornell Extension facilities all over NYS, however they are all part of one university with one university president, David Skorton. For instance, their new capital campaign is for the entire university (Medical School and Ithaca). Does Columbias $4 billion campaign include Barnard College? This is not a question to meant to incite - I truly dont know. Barnard College has a separate board of trustees, its own President, Judith Shapiro, etc. Students at Barnard are welcome to take classes at Columbia and visa versa. Its win win situation for women applicants, they have many more options to study at Columbia than men do. </p>
<p>Cornell freshmen cannot chose housing based on proximity to academic quads. Other than the program houses, which have nothing to do with what college you are enrolled in, the dorms are all heterogeneous with students represented in all 7 colleges. Sophomores usually chose to live with their friends. Very few juniors and seniors live in on-campus housing. </p>
<p>At Cornell, you are correct in that each college has its own admissions committee, but Doris Davis, the Associate Provost for Admissions & Enrollment oversees the entire universitys admissions and the individual colleges' Deans of Admissions report to her. She was actually the Dean of Admissions at Barnard before coming to Cornell! Her oversight is more more extensive than an "administrative conduit in Day Hall:</p>
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However there are colleges of the university that do not share dorms, are not even located in Ithaca- the medical college, which issues undergraduate nursing degrees I believe, and also issues medical degrees. Though these students do not share dorms or campuses with students in the rest of the university they are still considered to attend colleges of the university and receive degrees issued by Cornell.
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FYI -Cornell Nursing closed in 1979.</p>