Columbia's Inferiority Complex

<p>This is intended to follow up on Denzera's post on another thread about how people wear other school's college apparel on campus which leads me to this post... I was on Columbia's campus a few weeks ago for a science class and I saw at least 5-6 kids going into Butler sporting various Harvard, Yale, Stanford shirts. </p>

<p>I mean, fine you really liked those schools in high school but *** now you're at Columbia. Walking around with those is almost like wearing a sign screaming "I GOT REJECTED FROM HYPS-- I'm STUCK WITH COLUMBIA". (Of course some ppl may just not wanan throw away a perfectly fine sweater). But somehow I don't think the undergraduates at Harvard are sporting Columbia shirts.</p>

<p>But it goes on to a larger concern I have... which is, I don't really want to go to school with a bunch of people that constantly have an inferiority complex to HYPS constantly moaning and disappointed that they didn't get in and is now "stuck" with "just" Columbia. As someone who definitely has Columbia as #1 and accepted ED, it just really P.O's me when people carry this mentality. It doesn't really help that Columbia, relative to the non HYP(S) Ivies has a larger cross applicant pool with HYPS. </p>

<p>The result? The stereotype that "HYPSM Rejects --> Columbia". I was reading a "Columbia Today" publication a few months ago and I distinctly read something from a Crew alumni complaining about how Harvard had a palace for a Boathouse while Columbia had a shack. And then, upon winning this alumni race versus HYP, the alumnus proudly proclaimed--"We are no longer Yale's rejects~". -_-; Inferiority complex prevalent on campus?</p>

<p>It is a bit disturbing. Is Columbia really second-rate to HYP?</p>

<p>I know a lot of people who got rejected from Columbia, but accepted into somewhere in HYP... </p>

<p>I love Columbia like a fat kid loves cake.</p>

<p>Vesalvay, I firmly believe that for me and those people truly seeking a comprehensive education, Columbia's Core education will educate them as well as, and probably better than Harvard, Yale, or Princeton ever can. </p>

<p>Columbia & Wharton are close enough to HYP that <em>some</em>, albeit the far minority, can make an effectual case of why Columbia is equal to HYP in terms of academics (which it was 4-5 decades ago). </p>

<p>However, the vast-vast majority will perceive HYP to have greater prestige than Columbia because of various factors (the media, publications, endowment, alumni, scientists). Of course, any intelligent person knows that the intrinsic benefits of obtaining a HYP degree versus Columbia is virtually negligible and instead depends on your GPA/experience. However, for those people-- i believe xoxoth refers to them as "prestige whores" who thrive off getting recognition at some party or something, yes HYP is in another tier of prestige than Columbia or any other school and unlikely to change anytime soon.</p>

<p>I'm sure there are about equal HYP rejects at Columbia as the aggregate Columbia rejects at HYP since Columbia's acceptance is SO LOW, but the fact is that most HYP-Columbia cross admits choose HYP. The result is the HYP rejects coming to the next closest thing to HYp-- Columbia.</p>

<p>It's all relative. Why isn't Columbia as good as HYP? Isn't that just perception in people? It's more exciting as a Columbia student to know that the school is constantly improving, working its way up, trying to be better in every way. And you can be a park of that as a student. @ HYP, once you're at the top, there's always the saying there's no other way to go but down.</p>

<p>Have you visited any other Ivy league schools?
They all walk around wearing shirts from other Ivies (well, no Cornell attire of course). It's all one big incestuous family.</p>

<p>Listen, of course Columbia has an inferiority complex regarding HYPS. As does MIT.</p>

<p>It's just like how Penn and Cornell have a complex towards all the other Ivies...no big deal.</p>

<p>You want to be part of those considered better than you, and honestly, it's a bit flattering that HYPS are the only schools Columbia students feel this way towards...I'd rather be second to 4 schools than second to a bigger number.</p>

<p>Contrary to what's been said, on a given day on campus you'll see plenty of students sporting Columbia apparel. I can't speak to what it's like at other schools on a regular basis (except for Brown, which I've visited a lot), but suffice it to say that Columbia apparel is well-represented--certainly more so than that of any other school. I actually haven't seen a lot of people wearing t-shirts/sweatshirts from other schools, and when they do it's usually because a sibling goes there (which is my case). All of which is to say that, in my experience, Columbia students don't have an inferiority complex. And what's more, we have no reason to; Columbia has the best general ed curriculum in the country, an amazing faculty with plenty of opportunities for interaction/research, a generally cool student body (there are exceptions, naturally), a beautiful campus, great performing arts and activist groups, a decent-to-great social scene depending on one's ability to find a niche and/or procure a fake to hit up local bars, and (oh yeah) a comfortable location in the best city in the world. Columbia offers a truly singular college experience, and I know plenty of people (myself included) who turned down one of the illustrious HYP trifecta in favor of four years in Morningside. Sure, our sports teams are middling on a good day, and you won't find much in the way of Greek life, but if you're really interested in those aspects of college life then you probably shouldn't come to Columbia, because you'll just spend your time here trying to make it into something it's not. </p>

<p>Why do some people think we have an inferiority complex, then? Well, probably because Columbia students (by and large) are opinionated and vocal in expressing their opinions, including what we want to see improved. This doesn't mean we hate our school; we just realize that no school is going to offer four years of paradise, and it's better to try to make a community better while you can. Among almost all of my friends, Columbia was their first choice. We worked just hard as anyone at HYP to get into Columbia, our college experience is just as great, and we know it. Just ask some Columbia students if they'd rather be at another school; as at any other top school, you will hear "NO" nine times out of ten.</p>

<p>And I wouldn't necessarily say that HYP are perfect. They just offer different college experiences (Cambridge, an urban wasteland, and suburbia, respectively). People come to Columbia because they want an experience that is just as strong academically, but one that also provides all the opportunities offered by NYC without sacrificing a great neighborhood and campus. The Core is also, as I've said, the best curriculum of its kind, and it's definitely been one of the best parts of my college experience so far.</p>

<p>One more thing: don't come if you buy into the idea that HYP are untouchable/infallible. That's definitely not true (for example, with all the fallout from Summers' departure, Harvard's a bit of a mess right now), and it's stupid to always place yourself, and by extension, your institution, in competition with others when it comes to prestige. Columbia is strong most everywhere it matters--as strong as any other university, in my opinion--and anyone with a brain knows the immense value of a Columbia education, so don't waste your time worrying about its prestige. The prestige of HYP (which is not much greater than that of Columbia) does not guarantee that any of them will offer your ideal college experience. Columbia offers something that's truly distinctive; it's not for everyone (what school is?), but the vast majority of students here couldn't imagine going anywhere else.</p>

<p>Okay, I'm going to stop with my mini-treatise now. I just wanted to dispell the idea that Columbia students have an inferiority complex. And I just had a few cups of coffee, so I'm feeling pretty verbose (which in itself is a time-honored Columbia tradition).</p>

<p>Wow thanks CU2009. I agree with you- Columbia to me is the best fit. I'd just hate to be around people bitter they didn't get into HYPS-- which from what you said largely isn't true!</p>

<p>Just don't be friends with those kids. I intend to ignore them.</p>

<p>I don't wear a columbia shirt because it's too darn expensive.</p>

<p>I was going to post here until C09 took the words right out of my mouth.</p>

<p>All i'll say is, 1) the vast majority of school apparel you see around campus is Columbia's, 2) people wear apparel from other colleges because they got those things during their college tours, and college students can't afford to just go out and get a wardrobe. that, or maybe a brother/sister of theirs attends another school. and: 3) like C09, I knew very few people at columbia who always wished they were elsewhere. I lived with one kid in my suite sophomore year who was from Amherst MA, hated the city, hated the core, and just wished he'd gone to Amherst college. Other than that, and the standard b****ing about how hard everyone has to work, most people were pretty happy with columbia. no regrets, really. i certainly felt that way.</p>

<p>when faced with things we have no control over - like harvard's internationally-recognized brand name - i think most of us do the pragmatic approach and cease to care. One of these days that may change, but until then all you can do is get the most out of your education and enjoy your time here.</p>

<p>nothing more i can really add, just agreeing.</p>

<p>Since when does wearing another school's sweatshirt/t-shirt mean you have an inferiority complex??? </p>

<p>I wear my wife's NYU sweatshirt all the time...(I also have a ton of CU stuff that we both wear). </p>

<p>At the end of the day, there is no way that any Columbia student should suffer from any inferiority complex to anyone!</p>

<p>Truaszn -- I mean this in a kindly, parental sort of way, but has it occurred to you that you are perpetuating this so-called inferiority complex with this sort of post? </p>

<p>Maybe people are wearing t-shirts from schools they rejected, not schools that rejected them:)</p>

<p>I know you haven't started at Columbia yet, but I can assure you there are students there who have turned down HYPSM for Columbia, not to mention many more who had a good shot at those other schools but chose to apply to Columbia ED. More important, you will get there and discover no one cares. No one will ask you where else you did or did not apply. No one will compare SAT scores. Even my S's girlfriend doesn't know what schools he turned down. Who cares?</p>

<p>Columbia's great. Enjoy it.</p>

<p>This sounds backwards but I actually prefer that Columbia has less of the "wow" factor when namedropping than Harvard does on the average person. When visiting Yale and Princeton, I found that other people's favorite schools were primarily HYPS. When I visited Columbia and asked other prospectives what schools they were interested in, I got a wide range of answers. Each person revealed true consideration of fit and thought of where they were applying to school aside from prestige. I found this extremely refreshing and I guess my point is, I feel that people who go to Columbia elect to do so because they truly believe that it is the place for them, not because they think that a name will impress someone the rest of their lives (nevertheless, it is an extremely impressive name!!). I think you'll find a lot more prestige-whores at HYPS and quite frankly, those weren't the type of people I wanted to be around.</p>

<p>The majority of people walking around campus during the day are actually graduate and professional students...they may in fact be sporting attire they got while attending undergrad somewhere else. I knew some undergrads who had, say, Michigan sweatshirts because they'd done summer programs there. I mean, one sees Holy Cross and Wisconsin merchandise as well...I doubt these are indicative of a Columbia "inferiority complex" toward these schools.</p>

<p>Most Ivy League schools, in fact, are not swimming in college-logo merchandise as state schools are; it's too self-conscious for them.</p>

<p>Now it sounds like Columbia isn't prestigious or it doesn't have name power. I think that is absurd, to say the least. Before I started applying to American universities, I had heard of Columbia, MIT, HYPS, Brown (only because of the OC haha don't hold that against me). Otherwise, I had never heard of Dartmouth, Cornell, UPenn/Wharton, Swarthmore, Amherst, Tufts, Duke...</p>

<p>When talking to people in Australia, the ones that EVERYONE knew were Harvard and Princeton... and that's because of Hollywood. Otherwise, the normal educated person found Columbia a major "wow-wow". I think the inferiority complex, if there is one, would come from the relative prestige.</p>

<p>To be honest, I have always seen Columbia as on par with HYP... Media influence aside...</p>

<p>Well, it really isn't quite on par with HYPS in terms of prestige, but it's net in line right with MIT.</p>

<p>every time someone uses the word "prestige" in discussing college admissions, God kills a kitten.</p>

<p>edit: please, won't someone think of the kittens</p>

<p>Honestly, I dont think Columbia has the prestige of MIT. Then again, why does this matter.</p>

<p>lmao at denzera.</p>

<p>Columbia is, what, the most difficult ivy to get into %-wise? I'm pretty sure most of the students that end up there hold Columbia in very high esteem.</p>