Coming Late to Law School

<p>After a great deal of soul searching I have decided to investigate going to law school. I finished my undergrad in 2000 followed by a Masters in 2001. I know that schools are mainly concerned with my undergrad GPA but will a having a Masters and five years of work experience help the whole package? </p>

<p>Here is my situation:
BA, Literature, GPA 2.69 (Documented learning disability found late in sophomore year)
MA, Hospitality & Tourism Management, GPA 3.8
5 years working as a Hotel Manager in NYC and Southern California
I will be taking the LSAT in December and lets say for argument sake I get a better than average score as I tend to do well in testing (ACT, SAT, GRE)</p>

<p>What do I have to look forward to in the admissions process? I am not looking for anyone to tell me what I think I want to hear; I really want to know what I'm in for and what kind of school I should be looking toward. Is there any chance for a first tier school?</p>

<p>First of all, are you taking the December LSAT for Fall 2006 admission? If so, you might throw yourself out of the running for any Tier 1 (top 35 or so) school, just because they do rolling admissions. You would really be behind the eight ball in getting your applications in - January if you really worked. Those apps should be in by September, maybe October at the latest.</p>

<p>Your GPA is going to be below the 25th percentile or almost every school in the country. Doesn't mean you can't get in anywhere - just means that your LSAT will have to be really amazing to make up for it.</p>

<p>Some of this depends on what school you went to; an upward trend in grades might be very helpful (such as a 2.2 for the first two years followed by a 3.2 for the next two years). </p>

<p>I applied to law schools with a likewise very low GPA. My LSAT was high; I have work experience; I used to be an engineer; and, aside from engineering, I had a pretty good reason for getting low grades for a few semesters. I can tell you a few things about trying to get into law schools with that situation:
1. It really um, stinks. (Let's use the PG word)
2. You'll get VERY varying results. I got into schools that were substantially better than ones that waitlisted me or rejected me.<br>
3. You'll have a better shot at some schools than others. Some will overlook the low GPA because you are older; there was an upward trend; you have a master's; you have work experience. Other schools won't care at all. Generally, you might have a pretty good intuitive clue which ones will work out better than others. You also might have a better shot if you apply early decision.
4. Do everything you can to get in front of the admissions officers, so you can tell your story and explain why you want to go there. I'm convinced that scheduling an interview (and driving 700 miles, each way, for it!) got me off the waitlist.<br>
5. Apply to a lot of schools - but don't sell yourself short. I'm not trying to be overly optimistic here (because yes, I still remember the hell of trying to get through the door), but you'll have a better shot at well-established, top 25 schools than you will at schools which are trying to climb through the rankings. Rankings are based on, in part, GPA of admitted students.<br>
6. Never underestimate the importance of geographical diversity. If you are shooting for national schools, don't be afraid to apply outside of your own area.
7. I had better luck with smaller schools than with larger schools. I think it's because smaller schools really have to build a class - and a community - so who you are tends to become more important. They don't want (or need) a classful of 22-year-olds who have never faced problems before in their lives.</p>

<p>Try to get academic recommendations. Even if you have to take night classes while you work, get someone who can say good things about your writing and analytical skills.</p>

<p>Don't rule out moving to a state with great state law schools - North Carolina, Michigan, Virginia, and California come to mind. Get residency, which will help you a lot in admissions. Long-term planning (yeah, ha, I should have done the same thing) can be very helpful. </p>

<p>Oh, yeah - don't apply to schools that ask for your SAT score. Trust me on this one. :) Basically, if your SATs overpredicted your college performance, less weight will be given to your stellar LSATs - because those will probably not predict your performance well, either.</p>

<p>That's about it... best of luck.</p>

<p>Might be in a better position to provide useful advice if we knew more about the reasons for your deciding to apply to law school. So please fill us in some more: what is your objective, and what locations interest you?</p>

<p>In responce to why I want to go to law school, I had planned on attending right after undergrad. Since my grades were not so good I chickened out and stated looking for other options. I decided on Hospitality School after working for a theme park for a few summers. I completed my Masters degree and went to work for some of the top hotels in NYC (Four Seasons, Riz-Carlton) and have really learned volumes in the experience. Now I feel that I have matured a great deal since undergrad I am ready for the challange of law school. So far as where I am looking, I am currently living in Southern California but I am willing to relocate to Philly, DC, or maybe even NYC.</p>

<p>Perhaps I wasn't clear. To me, the question isn't whether you had planned to go earlier and have now decided to do it. And I wouldn't call what you have done "chickening out". The question is - why do you want to go to law school? Is there a certain type of law that you have developed an interest in? Does law in general interest you? Want to enter politics and think a law degree is needed? Want to open your own office in a suburb or small town, or to get a job with a high-powered law firm in a major city? Remember, you're planning to enter a highly competitive and stressful three- or four- year situation. Having taken a graduate degree and worked a while, you're older, and thus more experienced in making decisions, than many posters on this board. So tell us your reasons - one or two could do. Might be that we could offer suggestions for law schools in these cities that are not top-tier but that nevertheless could serve you well - or perhaps we couldn't.</p>

<p>I understand now. Law has always been very interesting to me and now I am finding two areas particular interesting: Real Estate Development and Sports, Entertainment, & Media. Working for a major hotel company, I have been able to be involved (very minor role) in a few hotel expansions and acquisitions. Furthermore, while taking Law of Mass Communication in Graduate School for my Tourism Degree I feel in love with the area of Law and how it deals with the Media. </p>

<p>I know that there are many great options for school near my current location in Southern California. The biggest question is to why any of them would take me? How should I best show them that I am capable of outshining a poor undergrad performance?</p>

<p>Now that makes things a lot clearer.
First, stop worrying about why a school shold take you, and instead put together reasons why they should - your performeace since undergrad days and your reaossn for wanting to go to law school, now that you're more mature.</p>

<p>Second, I'm not familiar enough with law schools in Southern California to be able to recommend any, but I know that there are a number of good schools there that are not "nationally ranked". You should check them out, including their curricula. All schools teach basic real estate law, but some may have courses in property developement, zoning, etc. Plenty of schools will teach entertainment law and even sports management, but some may offer more courses than others.</p>

<p>Think also about evenng school. Yes it's a tough grind (I should know) but it's more financially feasible, and there might be different standards or approaches to admissions (this is only a guess).</p>

<p>Ask lawyers in these fields of practice what they think of the local schools. Apply to a number of them, because from what I hear, competition to get into most all schools is rough, especially in an iffy economy. (do the same thing in any other locality that's of interest to you) Then break your neck to get the best grade you can on the LSAT.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Hey Nick, I was just talking to a friend of mine last night in somewhat of a similar situation as yours. She has a 3.1 GPA undergrad in Bio, a 3.7 GPA masters, and was considering environmental Law. She called around a few choice law schools, and they said her undergrad GPA would have more precedence over her masters. Not to discourage u in anyway, because I thihk your work experience could help u out in this avail, you should deffinetly take LSAT's and apply to a bunch of different colleges. There are times I've witnessed when previous "mistakes" such as low gpa's arent the only things looked at by law schools, it's usually your interview that will determine whether u get in or not. Oh, and please don't think you're in this alone, coming from one guy who's made many a screw up's in the past trying to recuperiate and get his life bak together, I know Exactly what youre goin thru, best of luk to u.</p>

<p>Rhas: don't know what you menat by "choice" law schools, but if your friend is interested in environmental law, with that background, she might try calling law schools in Washington DC and near state capitols, since that's where good many environmental law programs are located -in proximity to the EPA and state government agencies. They may have a different view.</p>

<p>Loyola LA and Souhwestern are both ABA schoolsin SoCal that will provide a good, solid legal education. You could also look at USD and Western in San Diego.</p>

<p>hey thanks for the info, I'll let her know. By choice, she meant that if she was going to make the commitment and even further her studies, and only further increasing her debt, she didnt want to go to just any law school, but one with decent credentials, not your typical yale or harvard mind you, but one with a solid rep.</p>

<p>I second Loyola (in Los Angeles)... I've heard it was good for those who are doing part-time because they have work, and employment into law firms is good too (that is, if you want to expand your career choices). I think Loyola is probably the best law school that you can go to part-time in Southern California.</p>