<p>Can anyone direct me to F & M's Common Data Set? I want to look at more detailed information than what is posted on their Admissions page.</p>
<p>I have never found the F&M CDS online so used data on the Princeton Review and USNews sites. You might try calling them.</p>
<p>Try this link:</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to search for Institutional Research to find the CDS. Not all colleges make them available on the web, but you can often dig them out.</p>
<p>Anyone notice that ED admits: 410 and incoming class 588? Is that right or am I looking at it incorrectly?</p>
<p>Um, wow.....</p>
<p>I can't vouch for the data, I only found it. It looks literally unbelievable: 70% of the freshman class ED?</p>
<p>can't wait to see this year's if last year's ED was like this....dadx3: thank you for posting....</p>
<p>dadx3 : nice job finding this !!</p>
<p>The ED data is amazing 410 ed admits out of a freshman class of 588?
ED admit rate of 70%?
That would leave 178 seats for the remaining 5000 RD applications?</p>
<p>Well, F&M can accept kids any way they want, but does that stat make anyone else look at them a little differently.......like in a not so positive light?</p>
<p>Before anyone thinks this might be sour grapes, I'll say that my child had F&M as his "2nd safety" - he's already been accepted at his "1st safety" and one of his other top choice schools. So I really don't care from a personal perspective whether he gets in or not.......</p>
<p>I just don't like the fact that they are sort of forcing kids' hands to apply early and then be committed to go there. What about comparing financial aid offers? My son (who was being recruited as an athlete by a few schools - F&M among them) was asked to apply ED to all of the sport schools. There was no way he was going to #1 make a decision without knowing the $ involved, and #2 limit himself to only really applying to 1 school. In the end, he applied to the 4 "recruiting" schools, plus 5 more.</p>
<p>What about the families who really CAN'T commit without knowing financial aid? I know F&M is expensive (and I don't think it's that well known for it's aid), so I guess they must really want the affluent ones, huh?</p>
<p>I just think 70% ED admits is way too high.(Yea, yea - I understand that they can do whatever they want - it's just my opinion.)</p>
<p>I also think that they're going to miss out on accepting a lot of really good applicants by leaving so few spots open for RD. I'm really sure that kids will be DENIED who probably really want to be there and are very good students and good fits. Just my 2 cents.......</p>
<p>Wow, 70% of the Freshman class was admitted ED? I can't help but think that that figure has to go down for next year's (class of 2014) applicants who will be applying after 12+ months of the economic downtown. You would think that, by that time, more families would want to compare various financial packages.</p>
<p>D and I recently visited F&M. We had a good visit, but one thing I recall from the info. session, was that F&M seemed to emphasize applying ED, the Asst. Dean of Admissions mentioned that a significant majority of their applicants apply ED. (My daughter only intends to apply RD) Interestingly, I also recall, from visiting Muhlenberg with D1 a few years ago, that they were encouraging students to apply ED, as well. Looks like there's stiff yield competition amongst the PA LACs.</p>
<p>If the numbers are accurate, which I'm not totally convinced they are, it says something very interesting about the RD admits to F&M:</p>
<p>Of the 1811 RD admits, 178 enrolled, which is a yield of less than 10% of RD admits.
Of the 178 enrolled RD admits, 81 (46%) came off the waiting list.</p>
<p>I'm hoping to visit F&M with S2 next month. I'll try to ask about the ED numbers.</p>
<p>Wow - those #'s are really interesting too. I agree that it "says something" but I'm not totally sure what that is!</p>
<p>I actually do think the original stats are pretty accurate. Like someone said above, they really do push for ED - we were on campus twice, and both times the coach and admissions really stressed it (much more than the other schools we visited.) </p>
<p>Everyone I know who goes there (granted, not a ton of kids, but a handful) got in ED.</p>
<p>A friend with a child there told me that they were encouraging her to go ED so that scholarship $ would still be available.......</p>
<p>I think ED is fine for some kids......I just don't love the idea of 70% of the class being admitted that way.</p>
<p>Again, as I said before, F&M can put together their freshman class any way they please. For some reason, I just don't care for their method. There was a thread on the Boston College area where the Director of Admisisons (I think) was talking about how BC's EA is actually harder to get into than RD, and that they specifically don't want EA kids to have an advantage because they don't think it's fair. I think I lean more that way.</p>
<p>I am shocked at the high percentage of ED admits at Franklin and Marshall. Actually, I found it so hard to believe that I went straight to the link and indeed 70% of the most recent first year class was admitted ED.</p>
<p>How does this compare to other similar colleges? The closest comparison I found (in an admittedly quick search) was with Colgate (which boasts a very well-to-do student body based on the % of full-pay kids) who admitted 51% of their class ED. Is anyone aware of any other colleges whose ED admits are similar to F&M's?</p>
<p>I guess they want students that are sure they want to be there and are able to play the financial aid roulette.</p>
<p>I have heard that small liberal arts schools INCREASED their ED admits for 2009 for financial reasons, but hard to imagine that F&M could do more than 70%.</p>
<p>I am a transfer and don't the numbers for fall admit seem a bit high? I think it was 44 out of the 57 applicants were accepted? I plan on applying there for transfer, but that percent seems too good to be true...</p>
<p>We visited F&M today. In the info session they said that about 50% of the students come in through ED. This is more consistent with other colleges, and far lower than the 70% in the F&M 2008-09 Common Data Set. </p>
<p>On a related subject, here is an interesting quote from “The College Reporter,” the student newspaper at F&M:</p>
<p>“Due to the unpredictable effect the economy will have on yield for the class of 2013, over 500 more students were accepted this year than last year, said [Dean of Admission] Harberson.”</p>
<p>As the newspaper notes in an editorial, this puts the acceptance rate up to 48% from 36% the previous year.</p>
<p>dadx3: did they happen to release the ED acceptance rate? (last year 410/588: about 75-80%)…also, if they accepted 50% ED (about 300), how could they have accepted 500 more students? what if they happen to get a higher yield than normal? sounds like ALOT more kids accepted for only 300 RD spots…</p>
<p>These bits of information come from different sources. The 50% was from the info session with an admissions officer. It may be an “average” number rather than a particular year. </p>
<p>The other report on admissions for the class of 2013 was in the college newspaper. I think F&M is worried that their yield will be much lower than average. Rather going to an expanded waiting list, they are gambling that they will more likely get their required / desired numbers by adding 500+ to their accepted students. The newspaper also noted that the average SAT score was down a bit from last year (from 1352 CR+M to 1345), consistent with greatly increasing the number of admitted students.</p>
<p>well, given that F&M is an SAT optional school (and they only report those students who submit), I’m not sure that it is particularly significant that their “average” SAT score went down…what would be more significant (and we’ll have to wait for college board for this) is what % of students submitted…I think last year it was around 68%</p>