<p>Those who are URM are not a division of low class citizen while other are superior to them. An URM at any school is as qualified as his classmate to be in that school. Just because someone is URM they should be looked down upon and expect pity for things like admission.
@ yellowdog, if u were a URM, u wouldn’t want to be in a classroom where other will look down upon you and see you as less qualified to be there or less intelligent.</p>
<p>Not all URM are talented, some are just regular people and they can get high scores to be admitted the same way as any other student.</p>
<p>@ T26E4
IVY Leagues universities do not admit recruit student for sport. They believe academic comes first before sports.</p>
<p>I read that those who are URM do not perform well in the SAT or ACT, but one should remember that standardize test score are not the only document admisson are looking at. There is GPA, the essay which gives the reader a connection with the person, interview, the student’s EC and recommendation letter. </p>
<p>Anyone reading this, I am not trying to offend anyone.</p>
<p>How is this even being debated? How can you deny HARD EVIDENCE from both stats and research that shows URMs, and to a lesser extent athletes, clearly have an advantage when it comes to college admissions. I cannot fathom how delusional you would have to be to refuse to believe cold hard facts. </p>
<p>xtarion seems to be the most delusional. It was difficult to even interpret what you were saying half of the time due to your poor grammar, but I get the gist of what you’re arguing - and it’s wrong. I don’t know if you’re insecure because you’re a URM yourself or because you transferred into one of Cornell’s schools known for being easy to get into, but you seem to have no clue how college admissions at top schools work - this is pretty evident by the nonsense you keep repeating over and over.</p>
<p>I never attempted to be rude to anyone in this thread and I would recommend you do the same. Yes I know my grammer is poor, I sometime skip letters or forget to add certain words. I don’t really review my comment before I post.
Their was no need to bring up that I am a transfer student or make negative comments.
My reason for making this thread was simply because of the “chance me” threads which asked if being an URM is a hook and if it will make up for a low score.
Yes I keep on repeating the same massage because I am trying to get it across to everyone.
We are all individuals and one’s race should not determine if they are accepted or not. Do not bank on the URM status as a hook to be accepted. If one deserves the spot and is qualifed they will be accepted. Just because someone is an URM the person should expect to be pitied.</p>
<p>What you should repeat is that URMs or athletes, etc. should not be looked down upon since they are qualified, as the school determines them. That’s gospel. OK, I get it. I agree.</p>
<p>But your message gets discounted because your line of argument is rife with errors. Why should anyone listen to you when you state inaccuracies as fact? </p>
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<p>Having applied to and been accepted at multiple Ivies, having graduated and attended an HYP, having recruited/interviewed for my alma mater for 23 years (including following strict NCAA guidelines for recruited athletes), I can tell you you are 100% wrong. Please research this independently before you cite this again. You do your argument no favors. </p>
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But the fact is that some people feel URMs get in easier. I agree that’s a debatable point. But to ignore why people feel like this (SATs of URM pool are, on avg, lower than the general pool), is foolish. The fact is being a high performing URM is a hook and it bothers some people. Your denial of this fact weakens your argument again.</p>
<p>I’ll not visit this thread any further. If indeed, you’re about to attend Cornell, congrats. I hope you’ll be open to having your ideas challenged and have fidelity towards facts more than you’ve shown here.</p>
<p>Wait, you wouldn’t care if a uni admitted you on pity and the majority of students there believed you to be inferior and not worthy to be there?</p>
<p>I type in urm and I saw some many threads about it. T26E4 in one of those past threads I came across your name. What I said about ivy league not admitting students based on athletic ability is not wrong. I know for a fact that Cornell doesn’t recuit athlete. I won’t drag this discussion any forward, because I noticed in past threads people start getting rude and ignorant. My original massage remain the same, do not bank on urm status for acceptance, if ur qualified u will be accepted.</p>
<p>No lol, I would not care. I would be at one of the top universities in the country, fulfilling my dream, having a higher potential to get into vet school. Other people’s impressions of me would be the least of my worries.</p>
<p>This is strange thread because I find myself agreeing with almost everything. Even Yellowdog makes a good point about just attending school and not worrying about what others think. I already told my D, who got a 2250 SAT, state and national awards in speech and debate, started a non profit helping girls, etc., that a few folks will assume she is an AA beneficiary and demean her. I gave her advice I got. Let people underestimate you and quietly beat them in the classroom. You have to be a brave soul.</p>
<p>And remember that legacies get a boost. Why don’t they get treated the same as minorities? The inconsistency comes from what is really in some people’s hearts.</p>
<p>And what is qualified in the Ivy League? Folks want to bandy that phrase around but it doesn’t apply to the Ivies. There are base qualifications but after that, students are handpicked, selected if you will, to design a student body with high caliber. Was the 4.0, 2380 SAT, founder of a company, officer of a club, trombone player that got rejected unqualified? No, but I see profiles like this all the time. The idea of earning a spot at an Ivy is nice but it’s a fantasy. You can earn a second look by the adcom, you can be worthy of strong consideration, you can claim the mantle of academic excellence but admission to the Ivy is a gift. Admission is a gift because they passed over many equally and even better applicants to give it to you. Take it for what it is.</p>
<p>Just like there are whites who are legacies and there are scions of politically and financially powerful people that many would not consider “qualified” too. So, what?</p>
<p>No offense, but I want the legacies and the children of politically and financially powerful to be there and the Affirmative Action kids there too. I want the diversity. Also, I believe the very bright academic stars want it too. And giving these stars what they want is what these top colleges are all about.</p>
<p>So no offense, but bottom line is that the white, average, middle class kids are at the biggest disadvantage in this game…(even with high qualifications)</p>
<p>Does anyone have data on how many international applicants applied to Cornell for class of 2016 and how many got accepted as well. Can’t find it.</p>
<p>Asian Americans get the worst hit, especially male Asian Americans. The average math and reading SAT scores of Asian Americans in the Ivies are 340 points higher than the black and 140 points higher than the white.</p>
<p>Nope I agree with T26E4 internationals take it the worst. Have you looked at the various % of int’l acceptances? Although I haven’t found that info for Cornell.</p>