<p>I’m not going to get into this debate. I’m an alumna of Wake, and it would be impossible for me to be unbiased. But a couple corrections (for people on both sides of the argument):</p>
<p>1) The reported SAT scores do not omit people who didn’t submit their scores when they applied. Wake requires everyone to submit their SAT scores by the time they matriculate specifically so that they can be reported to organizations like the College Board and US News and World Report.</p>
<p>2) Winston-Salem is actually in the Triad, not the Research Triangle. The triangle is Raleigh, Durham, and Chapel Hill, which are about 1-2 hours away from Winston. The Triad is Winston Salem, Greensboro, and High Point. But there’s still some great research happening in the triad (both at some of the universities and at some private companies).</p>
<p>^^^^^Thanks for clarifying about the triad- I do not think this is a debate- one person is saying that “better” is subject to more than rankings; for example, Emory is ranked 17, and has an overall US News and Ranking of 80, while Georgetown is ranked 23, with an overall score of (gasp) 74! Remember, if we want to get into “numbers,” Wake’s score is only 4 points less than Georgetown’s) Is one “better” than the other? Probably not, but ask anywhere in the southern states (which last time I checked, were still in the Union), and the very pro Emory answer might surprise those cosmopolitan “Dcers!” Just more proof that people, sadly, use information in a way that benefits their own viewpoint, rather than trying to be unbiased. Even if Wake did meet up to sunny’s very high “standards,” I don’t think they would have been happy at Wake, so it is good they attend ? university. I am guessing however, that they are not a product of Georgetown and the great Jesuit tradition of embracing every part of the whole.</p>
<p>You’re “getting out of the sandbox now” Mary? This, after all of your posts insulted me personally? Whatever.</p>
<p>The reason to have these discussions is because many posters on this site ask readers to compare two schools, most likely because they are facing a tough choice. Obviously we are lucky to have many fine institutions of higher learning in this country, but saying so many are good that it’s hard to compare does not answer the OP’s question.</p>
<p>The OP specifically asked how does Wake Forest stack up to Georgetown in terms of academic prestige. Note the word “prestige.” Someone posted that it was a “wash,” which I strongly believe to be untrue. Why is that person any more entitled to their opinion than am I? </p>
<p>If the OP seeks ACADEMIC PRESTIGE, GU wins hands down. It’s really not even a debate.</p>
<p>And as far as SAT scores go, I happen to know for a fact that many alumni are not happy that the school no longer requires them. It’s a controversial issue at least.</p>
<p>You have close to 19,000 applicants to GU, in comparison to just over 7,000 to WFU. High school kids, as opposed to their mommies posting here, speak for themselves through these numbers.</p>
<p>It is not what you have to say, it is the way you say it. Manners are not taught in school but usually, by one’s own “mommy.” Hopefully, the clouds will someday open up to show your “sunny” side. Hows that for confusing? ;)</p>
<p>No, I think it more has to do with your not liking this particular set of facts and you’ve latched on to my “manners” as an excuse to be condescending.</p>
<p>well, sunny7, I am not completely sure what “set of facts” you are talking about. You point out Georgetown’s high number of applications as proof that Georgetown is the superior academic institution, but this is faulty reasoning. NYU had over 37,000 applications this year, but does that make them superior to Georgetown (or Wake, for that matter)? Hardly. Many students may prefer the urban location of Georgetown, although this preference is certainly not based solely on academic quality.</p>
<p>well, I looked through the entire thread. You commented on admission rates and applicant numbers multiple times, commented on the drinking at Wake, and commented on the academic rating. Admission rates (as I have said) are not comparable between these two schools, mainly because of location, dd2014 addressed the instances of drinking on the two campuses (and pointed out that, despite Gtown’s lack of greek life, were more numerous at Gtown than at Wake), and the academic ratings have already been proven to be suspect. Where exactly are these “facts and data”?</p>
<p>Furthermore, this entire argument is absurd; prestige is not something measurable, but rather a “widespread respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of a perception of their achievements or quality”. Prestige is in the eyes of the beholder, and no intelligent person can reasonably say that " (insert school) is more prestige than (insert second school) at any level"</p>
<p>Sunny, you do make me laugh. I insulted you? Come on now, didn’t you say I was delusional? I don’t mind though, like I said you make me laugh. But you did say that I didn’t answer the OP’s original question. I think I did. I believe that prestige is in the eye of the beholder. Sorry if you don’t like what I think. I made a point not to comment too much on GU because I do not know as much about the school as I do Wake. And yes, I think they are both fine schools. I think you were the one to start throwing stones. Take this for what it is worth. I agree with njmom, it is not what you say that gets people ruffled, it is the way you say it. You have come off condescending. I am not sure if you mean to sound this way, but that is how I, and judging by a few other posters, have understood your comments.</p>
<p>You know who makes me laugh? Whoever started this thread. He predicted it might make some people mad. I hope that guy got admitted to his first choice school.</p>
<p>This is getting scary, “mommy sunny,” or whoever you are, as your actual post from March 2009 suggests, I am sorry your child did not get into Wake…</p>
<p>sunny7
Junior Member</p>
<p>Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 67
To highoffyou:</p>
<p>Something similar happened to my daughter with credentials much like your own, lots of community service, sports, and a genuine interest in the university. He applied ED and got deferred.</p>
<p>Perusing this site, I did see several posts by applicants with much lower stats, test scores, eCs, etc. who got admitted ED. Possibly they were from underrepresented states or international applicants - which my daughter is not.</p>
<p>Other posters gave you some good suggestions if you want to pursue WFU, but we are taking a different approach. There are too many great schools out there and honestly, why wait around for this one school? I’m sure you would have contributed greatly to the school community but obviously it’s not quite that simple. Why not consider another school where they truly want you, value you, maybe even give you some scholarship money? </p>
<p>And after some of the things I’ve been reading lately on these threads about WFU and a certain mindset of many of its students, I’m beginning to think THEY did US a favor.</p>
<p>Hold your head high and consider moving on. I’m sure you’ll be very happy wherever you choose - and they will be happy to have you and the myriad of skills you bring! Good luck!</p>
<p>Nj mom you have been breathing in too many turnpike fumes. I got into Wake last year after being deferred, attended the accepted students day and decided against it for various reasons, although none having to do with its academic prestige.</p>
In Georgetown’s dreams. The ONLY program Georgetown has that’s Ivy level is SFS. For that matter, Georgetown can’t even measure up to UNC except in law and SFS. </p>
<p>In terms of educational quality, I too consider the two very similar. I came exceedingly close to selecting Wake over Duke; I have a good friend who did and never regretted it. Wake is extremely underrated, partially because it is overshadowed by its larger neighbors in the state.</p>
<p>Yes, our turnpike fumes here in NJ made me see that actual post from March, they blinded my eyes so that I misunderstood the post. Come on, sunny! You are a funny mom, girl, or guy, it is ok! You can come back as cloudy1, who is to know! I am too confused to be anyone but njmom. :)</p>
<p>The only Ivy I compared GU to is Cornell, which is the easiest Ivy to gain admission to. GU is a step down from the other Ivies.</p>
<p>Wow, you were close to selecting Wake over Duke! That’s funny.</p>
<p>You believe Wake is underrated because of it’s larger neighbors in the state? That kind of excuse would never hold up in Boston, where MIT is not underrated although it is a stone’s throw from Harvard. </p>
<p>Even the cigarette butts littered all over the main street in Winston-Salem were a turn off.</p>
<p>Sunny7, all anyone has to do is sign into their CC account, right click, and read the previous posts you wrote; you clearly refer to yourself as a mother, and to your “daughter” in your posts.</p>
<p>NJmom, Mary and anybody else,
I woke up this morning and reread my posts and regret making them. I got carried away and I’m embarrassed by it. You won’t be hearing any more from me. Sorry to anyone I offended.</p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, I know a good number of people at Wake who chose it over Georgetown and Duke. I also know people transferring to Georgetown and Duke. </p>
<p>Honestly, all of these schools are in the top 1% in the country. The educations are similar, their sports are similar, their prestiges are similar. Most people who apply to WFU apply to GU and Duke as well, and honestly, 99% of the people I know at Wake are exceedingly happy with their choice to attend. </p>
<p>To be blatantly honest, I believe the differences in academic prestige between WFU & GU are negligible. I think I’m a good person to answer this question because I couldn’t be spoken to for a good 2 weeks after being denied from Georgetown (2 people from our school applied to Wake, over 30 applied to Georgetown including our val & sal, so if anyone’s argument as to why I didn’t get in is because WFU is less prestigious, you are horribly incorrect). Now, I do not regret my decision. I still love Georgetown and definitely want to go there for law school. If I did regret going to Wake and thought I’d get a better education at Georgetown, I would transfer. </p>
<p>I do not agree that Wake’s decision to get rid of SAT scores was a good one, but to be honest, this year we have a very high caliber of students. The interview process ensures that we get people who can speak well and represent themselves well. In my opinion, Georgetown is the Wake of the north. Preppy, primarily religious, great school, good sports, well-spoken students, great professors, whatever. </p>
<p>Anyone who thinks that there is a huge difference, especially academically, between these schools is horribly deluded. I respect both of them greatly. :)</p>