<p>Hey everybody, I was wondering if anyone knew where all of the competitive areas are? I'm from Colorado, I was also wondering if anyone knew how competitive CO is for USNA, I just know we're really competitive for USAFA.</p>
<p>Well, I can tell you that my Congressman's panel at my interview said that our district has more applicants to USNA than any other district in the country (MD's 1st). This is understandable...the district includes Annapolis.</p>
<p>After being medically, scholastically and physically qualified, will the Admissions Board take into account if a candidate comes from a competitive area? We live in Maryland and my D recently found out she earned two nominations (one senatorial and one from the Congressman). Since these are both very competitive forms of nominations in Maryland, will the Admissions Board even glance at this factor - potentially giving some sort of edge?
Thank you all in advance for your help!</p>
<p>If she doesn't receive the appointment from her MOC she'll be in the national pool where the only thing that will matter is her WCS and how it compares to other candidates in the national pool. If she got on both of the slates in a very competitive area take it as a good sign that her WCS is probably very high.</p>
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<p>There is no "list." And, there is most likely some variation over time. However, in general, SOME of the more competitive geographic areas include MD (especially near Annapolis and DC), northern VA, parts of FL, CA, TX and PA. I'm sure there are other areas/districts that are very competitive -- especially those near large Navy/military bases. </p>
<p>However, in fairness, a lot of candidates are admitted from the above areas as they tend to be populous and thus generate many good candidates. So don't despair if you live in one of those areas (I did). Focus on what you can control -- the elements of your application -- and not on what you can't (easily) control -- where you live.</p>
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<p>Well . . . yes and no. It is true that someone in the national pool competes vs. the entire pool. However, USNA still must consider geographic issues. Thus, within that national pool, if there are two equally qualified candidates -- one from Nebraska and one from Maryland -- and USNA can only pick one, I would generally expect them to take the one from NE. </p>
<p>Of course, it almost never comes down to the "one slot left" scenario, but to assume that, once you enter the national pool, where you live makes absolutely no difference just isn't correct.</p>
<p>As for whether being in a "tough" district helps -- first see my answer above. Attending a school known to have very high academic standards can help someone with a slightly lower class rank. However, the other "standards" for admission aren't typically affected by the nature of the high school.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, Did you receive a nom for USNA, but not USAFA? I have a friend who got the exact opposite (nom for AFA, but not USNA) so maybe there are so many applicants they give out one to ea candidate, thus they spread the wealth more, in that case you should be happy b/c you got a nom. Do you know how many applicants were up for a nom? Overall, I do know AFA has less applicants than WP or USNA which would suggest there are more people fighting for a slot...am I wrong on this assumption (afterall we all know what assume means)</p>
<p>In our state we had over 350 for sen. noms, our noms are just coming out now, got 1 fr Dole, interview in 2 days for Burr (he is only doing 1 day of interviews, if anyone can chime in on how many they think the comm. can make it through in 1 day I'd appreciate it...we're guessing 40-50 since the interview is to last 15 min) and he is doing all 4 acads on 1 day at the same bldg same room (other posters have the same info as we do and are applying to different branches)</p>
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<p>Yep, exactly. Federal law requires that all candidates in the national pool be selected entirely by order of merit (WCS). Anything else would be a violation of the law.</p>
<p>As one receives additional honors or awards or increases their class rank, etc. throughout the year , is the WCS adjusted?</p>
<p>I'd like to throw in Massachusetts and parts of New York as very competitive areas for USNA. As for Colorado, it is very competitive for the Air Force Academy, and I imagine those not admitted to Air Force would try their chances at Navy, too, so I guess it is somewhat competitive since I know a couple of my classmates from there.</p>
<p>If an applicant has 2 nominations, it is a very good indicator of his or her whole candidate score. As for adjustments, I'm sure they can be made as I was always told to always notify the academy of any awards, etc that you had to add...</p>
<p>What I'm wondering is if anyone knows the score ranges for the Whole Candidate Score. Is it from 1-180? I don't have a clue. Also, it'd be interesting to see the number of candidates who were admitted who had more than one nomination. These are statistics that turn out to be meaningless once applicants are admitted, but it would help candidates out there (and current mids/alumni) know what goes on inside Leahy Hall.</p>
<p>It's tens of thousands of points. When we did BGO training a couple years ago, they let us go to the library and view our application packages on microfilm, see the evals that teachers wrote, comments from the Admissions Staff, all kinds of cool stuff, including our WCS, "Whole Man Multiple" they called it way back when. Mine was in the mid-60 thousands, as I recall.</p>
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<p>Right before graduation I actually got to look at the hard copy of my packet. It even had a letter (and its reply) that I sent to COL Allen. I think it was up on the 2nd floor of nimitz in one of the offices. It was especially interesting to see that I was recommended for an LOA from admissions that I never received.</p>
<p>can all mids view their applications in Nimitz?</p>
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<p>You are attempting to mix apples and oranges. One has absolutely no bearing on the other.</p>
<p>Each summer of BGO training seems to release more and more info on the WCS. I hope they don't release too much since it would cause candidates to attempt to 'profile' themselves for maximum points instead of just being the best they can be. Five years ago (hey, I'm due again) at my last training, we were told that they would send a limo for anyone with 70k points.</p>
<p>I don't think GoNavyXC was saying that more nominations will get you a higher WCS. I think he meant if you have two nominations it's also very likely that you have a decent WCS. Not saying that one affects the other, just that it's a good indicator.</p>
<p>If one looks at the ratio of total attendees over what would normally be enrolled based solely on MOC/Senator quotas, the states with ratios over 1.5:1 are, in order from greatest to least:</p>
<p>MD, VA, NJ, PA, TX, CN, SC, FL, CO, HA, NC, CA, OH, and WA</p>
<p>One can, of course, quite accurately guesstimate the districts within these particular states where competition would be most heavy.</p>
<p>Well I can imagine how many people from all of TX apply. It enormous and having 4 pretty dense populated cities. I would guess TX is pretty competitve.</p>
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<p>In the more competitive states, if it is true what people have posted here, one may not have the opportunity for more than one MOC/Senator nom so your theory would prove incorrect. Therefore the inverse of his theory, that only one nomination would prove one less qualified, would be false. </p>
<p>For the smaller states, often the MOC and Senator lists will be mirror images and, again, your theory would prove incorrect.</p>
<p>Now for middle of the pack states, you might possibly, in a few instances, be correct. However, the Academy does not look at the packages in the same manner as the MOCs, so this could bring discredit on your theory. Remember, if the Senators divide the slate and do not repeat names, states with less than 20 or so MOCs will have dual nominations. It would be relatively easy for the bottom 5 or so of each Senator list also not be the top pick for their MOC and, hence, not receive a nomination. Altogether, GoNavyXC made a statement that is more often false than true.</p>
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<p>You should be able to. I had always heard that you could, and when I tried it was no problem</p>
<p>nice...i might check that out just to see it when i go out for the cvw in march...</p>