Composition Grad Degrees

Seeking input on the pros and cons of skipping the MM and going straight for Ph.D./DMA in music composition. I’m especially interested in the experiences of those who have done one or the other and lived (or closely observed) the advantages and disadvantages of their chosen path.

DS graduated in 2013 with a BM double major in music composition and theory plus a BS in cognitive brain science. Since graduation he has supported himself (in Boston) with a variety of music related jobs. He’s applied to grad school for the fall of 2015. He cast a wide net to maximize his chances and options. Offers are beginning to come in and it appears that, in addition to choosing among appealing faculty and locations, he will also need to choose between fully funded doctoral programs and fully funded MM programs.

He is certain he wants to complete a doctorate, and there is no question that he is musically, academically, and emotionally ready to begin doctoral work. Our question has more to do with the strategic and career advantages of one approach over the other.

Thanks for any thoughts or input you can provide.

My daughter was told she could try to apply directly to PhD programs but she wants the extra time to develop. She had heard from mentors, when an undergrad, that she had a strong individual “voice”. She could have left it at that, but her thesis reflected those same mentors shaking that status quo up and challenging that “voice” by introducing electroacoustic elements and she grew by leaps and bounds. Graduate school should be about that kind of challenge and evolution.

She feels that at the PhD level you should really know your focus, as well, and no matter how competent a student might be, or how strong their vision, a master’s can really help narrow your purpose for the PhD work.

I guess the simplest way to put it is that if funded, a master’s just gives you that much more time to grow and develop as an artist. She made funding a priority in choosing where to go, of course, and that can be a huge factor in deciding to go directly to PhD, since more PhD programs are fully funded than master’s.

Your son is gifted in many ways and obviously has a lot of stamina too. He is also very proficient in theory and other technical aspects of composing. If he knows what he wants to do compositionally, there is no reason (in my view) not to go ahead with the PhD. If he wants to get to teaching or whatever career he has in mind, then it would seem he should go ahead with the PhD.

And then some really desirable schools only offer a PhD, so that is a factor too in going ahead with the PhD: access to certain schools.

I cannot really think of a strategic downside other than fewer years to make connections and hone craft. If I see that someone went directly to PhD I figure they are pretty darn good and/or they really have it together. But as I said, my own daughter doesn’t want that.

The only other thing, just rambling here, sorry, is that the choice of PhD program schools might be wider and better after a master’s. Doing a master’s might even change which schools he would want, if his aesthetic changed in the course of the master’s.

My daughter considered alternatives to a master’s to get her to a PhD program at a similar stage of development. Meaning, say, working as a composer, applying for grants, and getting pieces played as much as possible. or going to Europe to study with one of her favorite composer teachers. Trying to get residencies. Finding a studio to work in and learn more about electronics. Studying art history to enrich music. Going to Alaska or Japan for inspiration. Etc. etc. But in the end the very best thing is to have the structure and resources that a school provides.

Another issue is terminal master’s or not. She is choosing a school where master’s classes count in the PhD program. But there is a terminal master’s in case she does not want to continue on to a PhD level.

If your son likes to teach, and it seems he does, a final thing to think about might be teacher training and opportunities at the master’s level Funding for PhD programs involves teaching duties, and I don’t really know how many master’s programs do too, I just know that some do, some don’t.

There are some interesting connections these days in some programs, between neuroscience and music (see Dartmouth Digital Arts for instance). Does he have any interest in pursuing a dual focus or combining his interests in some way? Would master’s work help clarify? Has he done any electroacoustic work, or is he interested, and does he have experience? Is he pretty sure of the direction he wants his work to go?

He may very well be ready. My daughter likes to be a turtle versus hare and wants the time, but your son has already gotten a BM as well as BA and she did not have the full BM experience as an undergrad, just a good rigorous BA in music.

This response is not very well organized :slight_smile: Good luck!

ps. gradcafe.com might have a thread on this, haven’t looked but it’s an idea; also newmusicbox.com

My son is in the last semester of a MM program (not funded, alas). At this point, he is not certain that he will pursue a doctorate at all. His teacher has advised him not to do so now if what he really wants to do is compose music (as opposed to teach). So his current plan is to take a few years to compose as much as possible and try to place music, while doing other music-related jobs to pay (at least part of) his way. How this will turn out, I don’t know. I would add that he feels like he’s had enough school for the time being.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful response, Compmom! I always learn from your “thinking aloud” posts. Much appreciated! Lots of good questions there.

DS has done a bit of electroacoustic music to fulfill the requirements of his BM. He’s definitely explored a bit in that area, but I wouldn’t say he’s particularly attracted to it. He does enjoy teaching and has already done a bit, both in person and online. And he enjoys theory and seems to have a knack for it. He is interested in the intersection of music theory and cog sci, but that is very much secondary to his interest in composition. One of the schools to which he has been accepted has already contacted him to let him know that he would be welcome to pursue his interest in theory/cognition in addition to composition. A music theoretician who shares those interests has offered to meet with him at the prospective students day.

The funding issue is of prime importance to DS as well. He is only willing to consider fully funded offers. He left undergrad with a very manageable debt load and he wants to keep it that way!

If I had to predict right now, I would guess that he’ll opt to go straight into a doctoral program. I’m just trying to gather information to make sure he considers all the potential pros and cons of each option. Due diligence and all that. :wink:

Thanks again Compmom for sharing your thoughts!

Hunt - I’m so glad you chimed in! I’ve been wondering about your son.

I can well imagine he’s ready for a break from school after 6 straight years since finishing high school! DS definitely felt the same after he finished his 5 year dual degree. The end was a huge push which included two theses and a senior recital.

Best of luck to your son in the coming years. DS managed to support himself with orchestra management, teaching, gigging and the like but he did not get as much composing done as he had hoped. Part of that was sheer exhaustion but part of it was also the work scramble. He rarely had big chunks of time to work with. Because a large portion of his work was geared to an academic calendar, he was able to get more composing done in the summers.

I’m looking forward to hearing more about your son’s post-grad experiences!