<p>In response to warblersrule, Princeton and Cornell are definitely among the top lacrosse teams in the country, along with Virginia, JHU, Syracuse, and others. I guess that counts as good athletics, huh.</p>
<p>Here's the Wikipedia article I found about so-called "Southern Ivies".
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ivy%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ivy</a></p>
<p>Kind of funny actually.</p>
<p>Murray State: Kentucky's Public Ivy University.</p>
<p>Hello mememe245 ! what is your major?I have visited most of the schools you mentioned they are all very good ( each one has it's own strengths).
My favorite is Emory because it's top academics and location( near atlanta an amazing city)
I wouldn't call GW,Rice sothern
Vandy,emory, Duke,UVA,UNC-chapel hill would be the top in my opinion.
About UT austin...i was really impressed when i visited the school(more impressed than Vndy and emory) , really underrated school...</p>
<p>Emory is closest to UPenn
Vanderbilt is closest to Dartmouth</p>
<p>"Johns Hopkins
Georgetown
Washington & Lee
William & Mary
Duke
Davidson
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Emory
Rice</p>
<p>Based on History/prestige/reputation" Have you lost your mind??Washington & Lee ,William & Mary better than duke?</p>
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Someone suggested Texas, but it hardly looks like an Ivy. It has a rep score of 4.1, and an average SAT score of 1235, 150 points lower than the lowest Ivy and 213 points below the Ivy average.
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<p>It makes me mad that the state of Texas has that top 10% rule. It completely ruins schools like UT. Just think, if they admit every stupid kid in the top 10% and they're still as good as they are now, they'd be much better if they didn't.</p>
<p>So I agree that they could never be a "Southern Ivy."</p>
<p>Vanderbilt or duke</p>
<p>cough ohhmissz...i think california ucb has a very similar situation w/ the top 4% =/</p>
<p>umm id say duke, then vandy, then rice, then emory, then william and mary</p>
<p>pateta00- that list order is based on geography N to S. Not which is "better".
Of course you would really be splitting hairs b/c all the schools are great. But this entire CC population seems Hell- bent on spending their time doing just that.</p>
<p>this is sooo pointless, we are each arguing for the school we are getting into or trying to get into...I ARGUE THAT the university of hawaii belongs to teh southern ivy because ...aaa...its not included in the northern ivy league...so it must belong in the south</p>
<p>Dudes! Maryland is technically southern by virtue of the Mason-Dixon line. </p>
<p>But I'll certainly grant, as I mentioned before, that JHU doesn't have much of a southern feel to it. And, I'll grant that the M-D line actually doesn't mean very much nowadays. So, carry on :)</p>
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I also considered any state that once owned slaves to be southern.
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<p>Clendenator, didn't they all? For instance, I was just reading about abolition in Pennsylvania in the 1780s and we all know about the famous slave cemeteries uncovered in lower Manhattan...</p>
<p>From the wiki page mentioned:</p>
<p>Elite Southern Schools as ranked by USNews (ordered by score, US overall rank in parenthesis):</p>
<p>** * Duke University (8)
* Rice University (17)
* Vanderbilt University (T 18)
* Emory University (T 18)
* University of Virginia(<em>) (24)
* University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill(</em>) (27)
* Wake Forest University (30)
* College of William and Mary() (31)*</p>
<p>Guess what?! They forgot to look at the LAC list. Therefore Davidson and Washington and Lee got left out :(</p>
<p>This thread should be a poll, now that we've got 10-12 good suggestions.</p>
<h1>1 duke hands down, #2 rice, those are the only ones that stand a chance at being considered ivy's...duke is for sure though, but rice is up there</h1>
<p>Marsden, you are right that every state once owned some slaves, but eventually they were divided into "free states" and "slave states" in congress and newer states were admitted as such (i'm sure you know all this already). I think the slave states a few years before the civil war would have to include Maryland, Virginia (and DC i guess, since it's between MD and VA),anything below VA, Kentucky and all below it, Missourri and all below it, and Texas. I think that's technically all, since New Mexico and Arizona weren't states and the rest i believe were all free.</p>
<p>pateta00, i applied undeclared and i actually did not apply to any of the colleges i listed. i began this thread just to see what other people think of the name.</p>
<p>The Mason-Dixon Line and the antebellum legality of slavery are historically significant but they have little to do with what is presently considered to be "The South." Maryland and Missouri are NOT Southern. But then, neither is most of Florida.</p>
<p>Forget Mason and Dixon. The new line that needs to be drawn is the "Grits Line." Get a grant from Quaker to travel throughout the border South ordering breakfast. Find where you're served grits and put a dot on the map there; find where you're served hash browns and put an X there. See where the dots bump into the Xs and connect the dots. There's the grits line - it includes Southern Indiana and excludes Northern Virginia. I maintain that this is a far more culturally relevant line than the one drawn in the 18th century. Under Grits Line theory, you can have Indiana as a Southern Ivy, but not Miami U. (though in reality, neither of them qualify).</p>
<p>What in the world was that....</p>