<p>IMO</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton</p>
<p>Columbia</p>
<p>UPenn
Brown
Dartmouth</p>
<p>Cornell</p>
<p>I think the grouping is more accurate(ish...)</p>
<p>Based on stats # applied, # admitted/rejected
from my high school (1= ~Hardest ... 8= ~Easiest)</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard nonlegacy, Yale</li>
<li>Princeton, Columbia</li>
<li>Harvard legacy</li>
<li>Brown, UPenn Wharton, Cornell Hotel M</li>
<li>UPenn Other</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Columbia Fu</li>
<li>Cornell Other</li>
</ol>
<p>:)</p>
<p>of course rejection and acceptance rates do not mean much without comparable stats.....at my school the accepted folks tend to have
comparable stats across schools.for the most part, the rejected are
all across the GPA, SAT score lines.</p>
<p>you don't know what you're talking about. there's no way columbia is second easiest to get in to.</p>
<p>something like:
harvard/yale
wharton/princeton
columbia
dartmouth
brown
upenn
cornell</p>
<p>cornell is still easiest.</p>
<p>I think everyone sees Cornell as the easiest to get into and I think it's true.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Brown/Dartmouth (not really sure here)
UPenn
Cornell</p>
<p>I really disagree with you all in ranking HYP in such a clear cut manner. In fact, I'd argue that HYP are about equally difficult in terms of admissions.</p>
<p>HYP
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>Penn and Cornell have to be the last because of their substantially bigger undergraduate sizes. But especially for these two schools, the difficulty fluctuates a lot depending on which college you apply. For example, Penn's Wharton is almost as difficult to get into as HYP and Columbia, whereas Cornell's CAS/Architecture/Hotel would at least be at the level of Brown and Penn.</p>
<p>This would be my ranking.</p>
<p>I would say:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale/ Princeton
Wharton</p>
<p>Columbia (College)
Dartmouth
Brown/ Penn (College)</p>
<p>Cornell (CAS)
Columbia SEAS
Cornell Engineering
Penn SEAS
Cornell (CALS)</p>
<p>Princeton is probably harder to get into than Yale, as it is so self-selecting</p>
<p>
Hmmm, I only think of Yale as a dog.</p>
<p>
Without knowing the rejection rates of all 4000 colleges, it's rather difficult to make that claim. Also keep in mind that Harvard accepts more SCEA applicants than Columbia does ED applicants due to yield differences. Harvard's RD admit rate was lower than Columbia's.</p>
<p>Actually that was only Columbia college. Its not a comparable stat.</p>
<p>Everyone knows that Harvard is the top dog, followed by Yale and Princeton when it comes to difficulty of admissions. No news there. </p>
<p>Columbia would be 4th, followed by Dartmouth, Brown, Penn and Cornell. </p>
<p>It looks like Slater is interested in NYU and wanted to take a cheap shot at Columbia...</p>
<p>Cornell has 7 undergraduate colleges, most with specialized missions, each with separate admissions pools and somewhat different criteria. They are: Architecture, Engineering, Hotel Administration, Agriculture & Life Sciences, Human Ecology, Industrial & Labor Relations, Arts & Sciences. These are not merely separate programs of study, they are separate colleges and separate applicant pools. Admissions to each of these colleges is a separate question.</p>
<p>Similarly, Penn has at least 4 (Nursing, Arts, Engineering, Wharton). Columbia has three undergraduate colleges:College of General Studies, Fu, College. </p>
<p>The others are not organized into multiple separate undergraduate divisions, their admissions are each lumped together I believe.</p>
<p>Your chance of admission depends not only on the overall selectivity, in terms of general stats, of the particular college of the university that you are actually applying to, but also how your own profile measures up against the criteria of the specialized mission of that particular college of the university. For instance, I don't know that the physics genius is a guaranteed admit to the Hotel School. Your life story should indicate that there's some reason why you should be there, and with a specialized mission school that's not a given.</p>
<p>So whether your admissions chances at each of these schools is hard or easy depends in part on you, how you fit with that particular specialized college.</p>
<p>I was admitted to Cornell's College of Arts & Sciences, which was nominally the toughest by stats; however there is no doubt in my mind that I would have been rejected at its College of Architecture or Hotel Administration. And some of the others I would have had to strain to make a persuasive case for myself.</p>
<p>There are a lot more than eight good schools in this country, why fixate on these few that happen to play sports against each other?</p>
<p>This is sort of silly but I think that Yale is the hardest followed by Princeton. The MOST compassionate are probably Columbia, Dartmouth and Penn. Brown I heard is just plain weird on its admissions policies and rather unpredictable. Cornell is regarded as the easiest because it is the largest. But they are all difficult to get into and all of them are below 15% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I wonder how many people ask themselves about the burden of being an Ivy graduate and what the world expects of you? If you go to work and went to HYP for example, you better be a super star.....its a nice problem to have, mind you...but its not insignificant. </p>
<p>Every one has different criteria of success in life.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard, Yale</li>
<li>Princeton, Columbia</li>
<li>Wharton (Penn)</li>
<li>Dartmouth/Brown</li>
<li>Penn CAS</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>Harvard (9%)</li>
<li>Princeton (10%)</li>
<li>Yale (9%)</li>
<li>Columbia (10%)</li>
<li>Brown (14%)</li>
<li>Dartmouth (16%)</li>
<li>Pennsylvania (18%)</li>
<li>Cornell (25%)</li>
</ol>
<p>There are other non-ivies that could fit in here. Someone said Cornell's acceptance rate was below 15%. Not true, better check collegeboard.com.</p>
<p>For example, Put Stanford (11%) somewhere in between Harvard and Princeton.</p>
<p>Put MIT (13%) somewhere between Princeton and Yale.</p>
<p>Put U.S. Service Academies (14%) between Columbia and Brown.</p>
<p>Put Cooper Union (11%)/Top LACS(15-20%) between Dartmouth and Penn.</p>
<p>As I was trying to explain before, Cornell does not have one acceptance rate, it has seven acceptance rates.
Penn has 4 I believe.
Columbia has three.</p>
<p>You cannot apply to some theoretical amalgam of a multi-college university, only particular individual colleges of it. And the admit characteristics of each of these colleges is different. By which I mean all 14 above are different.</p>
<p>Yes you can aggregate them all and get some overall university admit numbers, but these aggregates will not accurately inform you re: the difficulty of getting into the one college at that university that you are actually applying to, except by chance.</p>
<p>monydad - your common sense doesn't have much room here next to everybody's egos.</p>
<p>I would say that Cornell A&S is probably about 30 SAT points below Brown and Dartmouth and probably higher than Penn A&S and Columbia A&S. I don't know the SATs at Columbia and Penn A&S but I looked at their overall SATs and figured their A&S is probably lower than ther engineering and Wharton.</p>
<p>Cornell Engineering is about the same as Dartmouth and Brown SAT-wise, and higher than Penn's and Columbia's overall.</p>
<p>So, it depends on the particular college within the school...which one is hardest to get into. </p>
<p>I wish I knew the SATs for particular colleges at Ivies other than Cornell. Cornell seems to be the only one that puts this info on the web.</p>
<p>BTW, the specialty colleges at Cornell are extremely hard to get into despite SATs because they require special talent/experience.</p>
<p>What schools would you name to be the eight ivy league runner-ups?</p>
<p>Criteria:</p>
<p>-Must be what you consider the eight most prestigious, high-quality schools that meet the rest of the qualifications
-Must be private. Ivy League is too good for state support (sorry Michigan, UVa, W&M)
-Must be a university. No LAC's allowed (sorry Swarthmore, Williams, Amherst)
-Not religiously affiliated. The Ivy League is a religion in and of itself and needs no affiliation :) (sorry Georgetown, Boston College, ND)
-Must offer a liberal arts-based education, not techy (sorry MIT, Caltech)
-No geographical restrictions</p>
<p>Duke
Stanford
Johns Hopkins
Rice
Tufts
Northwestern
Chicago
Washington</p>
<p>Others to consider:
Lehigh, Rochester, Vanderbilt, Tulane, Emory, Syracuse,</p>