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<p>Neverborn:</p>

<p>I see your point, but I think you're getting a wee bit dramatic. There is an overflow of political-correctness in this country, but it is only with good intentions. It isn't conformity these nicey-nicey people are looking for, it is unity in our country - something that we most definitely need to work on.</p>

<p>One thing about affirmative action: I do not believe affirmative action should be completely eradicated, but I do think it could be tweaked. Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to start affirmative action based on socio-economic levels instead of based on race? That way anyone who has to struggle to get the advantage in life will be rewarded, and many times it is still the ethnic minorities anyway, but does not exclude the non-minorities that need this kind of aid as well.</p>

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<p>The road to hell is paved with good intentions, my friend. Good intentions+lack of knowledge=a recipe for disaster. Political correctness, diversity training, etc, is just euphemisms for ******** and mind and thought control. Its social engineering at its best. I am totally anti AA based on race, but I am still sitting on the fence when it comes to economic conditions. If there was AA based on economic conditions, I will support it ONLY if its not government mandated or enforced.</p>

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<p>"mind and thought control"</p>

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<p>Lmfao.</p>

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A mixing pot of origins and experiences is what makes America so great - and so successful. Immigration drives our economy. There is no original American, so anyone who claims that all people of foreign backgrounds should leave, should leave.

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<p>I would say the people who colonized America are the original Americans (99% of them being Europeans). Even the American founding fathers stressed the importance of people remaining united through common traits. So I guess they should leave because they didn't want any non-Europeans coming into America?</p>

<p>Someone please tell me the benefits of turning first world homogenous nations into a crappy multi-cult one. </p>

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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people — a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs... This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties." -John Jay (First American Supreme Court Chief Justice)

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"The question we Americans need to address, before it is answered for us, is: Does this First World nation wish to become a Third World country? Because that is our destiny if we do not build a sea wall against the waves of immigration rolling over our shores....Who speaks for the Euro-Americans, who founded the USA?...Is it not time to take America back?" -Pat Buchanan

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<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism#Criticisms%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism#Criticisms&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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Das Bier your comments are almost as inane as the ones you are trying to argue against. Immigration is what makes America great by creating a market of ideas. Turn off immigration, and this greatness will surely end.

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<p>Do you realize that multi-culturalism will lead to no-culturalism? Fresh ideas you say are sparked from different perspectives. Ok, so where do we get these different perspectives? From different races and cultures from different areas of this world. Guess what? Multi-culturalism will end that. There will be no fresh ideas because everyone will be under the same line of thought, the same 'one world' line of thought.</p>

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<p>I am not advocating multiculturalism. Note, I believe that multiculturalism is pc ********. What I am for is open immigration, and against xenophobic morons like Pat Buchanan. If you want to make a good argument, don't quote Pat Buchanan. Ever. And since you are going to quote Jay without completing the thought, let me help you</p>

<p>This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren,*united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties.
Similar sentiments have hitherto prevailed among all orders and denominations of men among us. **To all general purposes we have uniformly been one people each individual citizen everywhere enjoying the same national rights, privileges, and protection. As a nation we have made peace and war; as a nation we have vanquished our common enemies; as a nation we have formed alliances, and made treaties, and entered into various compacts and conventions with foreign states. *</p>

<p>Kinda convinient for you to leave out the all orders and denominations of men, huh?</p>

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<p>"I would say the people who colonized America are the original Americans (99% of them being Europeans). Even the American founding fathers stressed the importance of people remaining united through common traits. So I guess they should leave because they didn't want any non-Europeans coming into America?"</p>

<p>And what were the native americans? I think they were the first.</p>

<p>Anyway, I choose to ignore you racist, xenophobic, and anti-semitic rants. Please, do not go on.</p>

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<p>Here is a condensed list of some immigrants (and descendants) who affected American culture, both from Western Europe and 3rd world countries</p>

<p>Charles Atlas (Italy), Frank Capra (Italy), Ang Lee (China) Einstein (Germany), Bela Lugosi (Hungary), Erick Avari (India), Edward G. Robinson (Romania), Anthony Quinn (Mexico), Michael Chang (China), Amar Bose (India)Knute Rockne (Norway), Felix Frankfurter (Austria), M. Night Shyamalan (India), Yo Yo Ma (China), Arnold Schwarzenneger (Austria), Elia Kazan (Turkey), Salman Rushdie (India)Strasberg (Austria), Sanjiv Sidhu (India), Chandrasekhar Subhramaniam (India), Vera Wang (China), Yul Brynner (Russia), Vladimir Nabokov (Russia), Guraj Deshpande (India), Pat Morita (Japan),Igor Sikorsky (Russia), Kaplana Chawla (India), Connie Chung (China), Bruce Lee (China), Har Govind Khorana (India), Serj Tankian (Armenian, born in ME), Ellen Ochoa (Mexico), George Zamka (Mexico), Mario Molina (Mexico), Ann Curry (China), Zubin Mehta (India), Amartya Sen (India), Antonio Meucci (Italy), Michele Kwan (China), Vinod Dham
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<p>Keep in mind this is just a fraction of the great immigrants who have bettered America. They range from Nobel Laureatures to inventors to actors, politicians, and atheletes.</p>

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And what were the native americans? I think they were the first.</p>

<p>Anyway, I choose to ignore you racist, xenophobic, and anti-semitic rants. Please, do not go on.

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<p>They were here first, so what? Did they build this nation? Go on and ignore life, you liberals are good at it.</p>

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Kinda convinient for you to leave out the all orders and denominations of men, huh

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<p>I quoted what they had on Wikipedia. John was anti-slavery, and I don't think he wanted the US to take in ever race under the sun to have some type of uber liberal multi-racial utopia.</p>

<p>I believe all orders and denominations of men meant that no man had the right to declare himself superior to others because of social advantage or privelage, like kings do. Nobody was supposed to be the ruling soverign 'king' anymore. We all get our rights from God so as far as social status goes we are all 'kings'.</p>

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“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

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<p>Kind of goes against that, huh? As you can see... "Multiculturalism throughout the United States is criticized by groups of paleo-conservatives for being an attack on Americas traditional Christian culture."</p>

<p>Edit: For quoting.</p>

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<p>Although I don't think that immigrants in and of themselves are bad, I do feel that open immigration is not what is best for our country. I think open immigration would put the security of our country at risk and would certainly not help with population problems. America can't afford to let people just flood into the country. We have to keep immigration controlled. It has nothing to do with racism really (although I'm sure there are prejudiced people who make it seem like it does).</p>

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<p>I will attempt to answer your question, but there are enormous shades of gray. I don't think anyone unilaterally agrees which school is most liberal and most conservative, but I will give it a good go. </p>

<p>Note: the descriptions are in relation to each other. None of the "conservative campuses" have a majority. </p>

<p>Most Conservative: Some will say its Dartmouth, but from personal experience, I think there are more conservatives at Princeton (many Southern good ole boys). Their are less conservatives at Dartmouth percentage wise, but I think they are more vocal and active. I'm not sure about professors, but there are a decent amount at Princeton. I'm sure you meant political leaning, but a good way to think about how conservative a campus is by using historical factors. Princeton is incredibly tradition rich, even more so than most ivies, and many will call it snobby or elitist because of that. I think that definitely contributes to a feeling of an tradition-bound, conservative university rather than the new-age feel you get from many campuses, such as Brown. </p>

<p>Penn is moderate to conservative in comparison to the rest. </p>

<p>Middle of the road: Harvard, Yale</p>

<p>Cornell is moderate to liberal in comparison. </p>

<p>Most Liberal: This really is a toss-up between Columbia and Brown. Columbia has a strong history of liberal activism (read: rioting and flipping cars) and Brown has a reputation of 1.4 conservatives per 100 liberals (I just made that statistic up, but you know what I mean). Neither of them are on par with Berkley, but they both come very close.</p>

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<p>I pretty much agree. I would guess: </p>

<p>princeton, dartmouth = most conservative, with princeton more conservatice</p>

<p>harvard, cornell, upenn, yale = moderate (in relation to other two groups), not sure of order</p>

<p>columbia, brown = most liberal, with brown being slightly more liberal</p>

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<p>Without doubt, Princeton & Dartmouth are the most conservative Ivies. Columbia, Brown & Yale are the most liberal. Penn & Cornell are best categorized as moderate, although each has many conservative students. Harvard is moderate, in my opinion.
A 2003 edition of a college guide humorously wrote: The Brown Pass-Fail system: wealthy liberals, pass; athletes, frat members or Republicans, fail.</p>

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<p>My experience is that none of them are even remotely conservative.</p>

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<p>Why are the "best" colleges in America liberal?</p>

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<p>haha i love how this thread got so off topic until like 3/4 posts ago...</p>

<p>overall it seems to me that most of the ivys are pretty liberal but if i had to rank them..</p>

<p>most conservative: dartmouth or maybe yale
in-betweens/mixes: cornell (although it leans more liberal), harvard, princeton
most liberal: columbia and brown
and UPenn I dont know..i honestly dont know enough about it or been there to judge...</p>

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<p>Dartmouth voted over 90% for Obama according to polling, and 85% for Kerry. I hardly see how Ivies, even on a relative level, are different from one another politically.</p>

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<p>Most colleges aren't as liberal as people make them out to be. I found NYU to be only slightly this side of moderate <em>points left</em>.</p>

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<p>If you want to know which Ivy is the most conservative, because you are one and want to go to a school that matches your opinions I suggest BYU, TCU, TBU, or any southern school. The Ivies are for intellectuals.</p>

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If you want to know which Ivy is the most conservative, because you are one and want to go to a school that matches your opinions I suggest BYU, TCU, TBU, or any southern school. The Ivies are for intellectuals.

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