<p>Does anyone have the rankings for academic reputation and endowment?</p>
<p>People don't seem to realize that the rankings lag by a year - these data are based on 2004 statistics</p>
<p>There are a number of colleges/universities who came out very publicly against the US News ranking a few years ago (I can't remember the list exactly, but it included Skidmore which has since moved up the ladder-so, there could not be that direct of a correlation between "voicing one's concerns" and "being punished".)</p>
<p>Can someone post the top 20 finance and marketing schools? And #15-20 of business schools?</p>
<p>Hate to do this, but it is a guilty pleasure. </p>
<p>Most overrated unis of Top 25: Penn, Duke, Cal Tech, WUSTL, NW, JHU and especially Vanderbilt.</p>
<p>Most underrated unis of Top 25: Stanford, Brown, Cal Berkeley and Georgetown.</p>
<p>Most overrated LACs of Top 25: Wellesley, Carleton, Bowdoin, Haverford, Claremont/McKenna, Washington & Lee, Grinnell and Hamilton. </p>
<p>Most underrated LACs of Top 25: Middlebury, Pomona, Harvey Mudd and Bryn Mawr.</p>
<p>Condolences for being vastly underrated, IMHO, to Holy Cross and Dickinson.</p>
<p>Collegeparent - Yay for unsubstantiated claims with no explanations. CalTech overrated?! Exactly what college are you a parent of, anyway?</p>
<p>"Most overrated LACs of Top 25: Wellesley, Carleton, Bowdoin, Haverford, Claremont/McKenna, Washington & Lee, Grinnell and Hamilton.</p>
<p>Most underrated LACs of Top 25: Middlebury, Pomona, Harvey Mudd and Bryn Mawr."</p>
<p>Collegeparent, does your guilty pleasure includes checking facts or is it simply based on your opinion?</p>
<p>You could move half of your listing in the opposing category and be more accurate. If you do not mind, read the details of the rankings again. For instance, you could say that Pomona and Harvey Mudd were underrated in the last ranking because they are heavily penalized for ... having too high a selectivity. Check the expected graduation rates to understand that angle. Now, in which way is Middlebury underrated? In which way are CMC and Washinton Lee overrated? </p>
<p>You can learn a lot by picking any column of the ranking and start comparing.</p>
<p>Someone just passed on this observation.</p>
<p>Among the top 120 schools, 6 went up in the reputational rankings. 42 went down. How does that happen in one year?</p>
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<p>Something else to consider--the response rate for provosts and deans has been dropping. Generally the people who provide the hard data still do it no matter how irritated they are with the rankings, because US News has threatened to populate the data with partial data that tends to seriously hurt institutions. But some higher-ups refuse to do the "reputational" ranking. Colleges which "protest" that way are losing their voice in not being able to rank their peers, and that could have an effect as more and more provosts refuse.</p>
<p>Claremont McKenna is underrated, only school the average student knows or cares about is Pomona and a few haver heard Harvey Mudd, but Pitzer, Scripps, and McKenna, not!</p>
<p>"Colleges which "protest" that way are losing their voice in not being able to rank their peers, and that could have an effect as more and more provosts refuse."</p>
<p>They refuse, I suppose, because they realize that the substance of peer assessment is a facile rating system at the least, and likely an unethical rating system in that it comprises 25% of the most read ranking in the country.</p>
<p>Hurray for those who, to keep a clean conscience, refuse.</p>
<p>I agree with the other posters who challenged collegparent's unsubstantiated claims.
If this is how you get a guilty pleasure, you need to get a life. I wonder where you or your kid goes to school? :)</p>
<p>I don't think most of you are in any position to say how good of a school Penn is. It's like you've all been overtaken by this mob mentality ... one person says Penn doesn't deserve #4, soon enough everyone's saying it. Maybe Stanford sucked a bit this past year. Deal.</p>
<p>I'm shocked people want more. Stanford is 5th, is that so wrong?</p>
<p>lol. i'm gonna say 'no,' it's not wrong at all. hell, i'm HONORED to be going to a top 12 school :)</p>
<p>People are stubborn. Some can't deal with change. Well, whatever. Penn/Duke/Stanford/MIT is overdiscussed. Let's skip ahead.</p>
<p>Part of the fun of the discussion is that we have not much else to chew on until the next big announcement which is ED in mid/late December. This is a once a year, harmless fun by the locquacious crowd on CC.</p>
<p>I also thought this discussion was for fun. I like these debates because I learn more about each of the schools represented. I cannot believe MIT people and Stanford people are complaining. Stanford is 5th and MIT is 7th. Is that really sooooooooooooo bad? Not like MIT is less of a school now.</p>
<p>The sad thing is that many people take these rankings way too seriously, for example I know plenty of parents that tell their kids "TOP TEN OR I DON'T PAY FOR FEE!!!!!"</p>
<p>The ranking is atleast a decent guide to see what the top 10-20 schools are in...</p>
<p>People may dispute small changes within the top 10 or top 20, but the ranking gives a good general idea of what the top schools are.</p>
<p>i just bought access to the premuim edition. Let me know if you have any questions.</p>