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1sokkermom, even as a person who has gotten into and visited both Duke and Penn, I believe they don't really deserve their rankings. Sure, they're great schools but just visit HPYSMC and see how they're influencing our world in the news and you'll know the difference from the cream of the crop and the OK.
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<p>Only on CC would Duke and Penn be labeled merely "OK."</p>
<p>LoL and where else would you find heated, fullfledged debates of Penn vs. Brown, Harvard vs. Princeton, etc? </p>
<p>Sometimes, you gotta stop and ask, what the hell is this forum? :)</p>
<p>You know how it goes.....the rankings come out and everyone feels the need to lift their leg on the other guy. We live for this discussion until Dec when we can hash out the ED postings.</p>
<p>There were some posts in here about faculty and financial resources for Penn and Duke.</p>
<p>I think I posted some data about these factors in post 261.</p>
<p>Penn and Duke report as part of their expenses per student even their expenses for their huge medical centers/hospitals which frankly have nothing to do with any studetn including the med students. Also they include as part of their professorship even their doctors and hospital staff. That changes the number of professors from 800 to 2800 (just guessing) which would make up for a huge difference wouldn't it?</p>
<p>BTW you can see how Duke falls from 218000+ to 98000+ only by removing its medical center expenses. Same with most othe schools with huge medical centers like Emory, WUSTL, Vanderbilt, Penn....etc.</p>
<p>Has anyone considered these?</p>
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You know how it goes.....the rankings come out and everyone feels the need to lift their leg on the other guy. We live for this discussion until Dec when we can hash out the ED postings
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<p>...only to read debates on the inherent injustice of Affirmative Action programs.</p>
<p>US News sucks. Everyone knows Swarthmore should be the #1 LAC...</p>
<p>D0 Most schools are guilty of that...people were talking about that in the other threads too</p>
<p>UIllinois did that a few years ago with unrelated library costs.</p>
<p>I don't feel like reading 25 pages of dribble drabble about OH HOW CAN THIS IVY BE LOWER THAN THAT ONE!, I just want to know which colleges rose and dropped the most. If theres a link, i'd like it thanks.</p>
<p> It may help to start reading a thread at the beginning. Check the first page of THIS thread. </p>
<p>Seems to me that a properly designed "popularity contest" has it's relevance; you may criticize the design; you might tweak the imputs. But, there's nothing wrong with comparing the results compiled by USNews to actual real world conditions. Also, the self-fulfilling prophecy or, as you put it, the "looking into a mirror" distortion can be applied just as well to USNews.</p>
<p>Can someone verify that Dartmouth and Columbia overall scores 89 this year is up over last year. I remember it being 87 for both last year. Can someone verify or post the correct information for me.</p>
<p>thanks in advance.</p>
<p>This year both show 89. Remember that this data is for 2004.</p>
<p>FYI - Rankings have not changed much over the past 16 years:</p>
<p>US News Top 25 for 1991-2006</p>
<p>Institution 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991</p>
<p>Harvard University 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 1 1 1
Princeton University 1 1 2 1 1 1 4 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 4 4
Yale University 3 3 3 2 2 2 4 1 3 1 2 3 3 3 2 3
Stanford University 5 5 5 4 5 6 6 4 5 6 4 5 6 4 3 2
California Inst. of Technology 7 8 5 4 4 4 1 9 9 9 7 7 5 5 4 5
Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 7 5 4 4 5 5 3 4 6 5 5 4 4 5 6 6
Duke University 5 5 5 4 8 8 7 6 3 4 6 6 7 7 7 7
University of Pennsylvania 4 4 5 4 5 6 7 6 7 13 11 12 16 14 13 13
Dartmouth College 9 9 9 9 9 9 11 10 7 7 7 8 8 7 8 8
Columbia University 9 9 11 10 9 10 10 10 9 11 15 9 11 10 9 10
Northwestern University 12 11 11 10 12 13 14 10 9 9 13 14 13 13 14 23
University of Chicago 15 14 13 12 9 10 13 14 14 12 11 10 9 9 10 11
Washington University 11 11 9 12 14 15 17 16 17 17 20 20 18 20 18 24
Cornell University 13 14 14 14 14 10 11 6 14 14 13 15 10 11 12 9
Rice University 17 17 16 15 12 13 14 18 17 16 16 12 14 12 15 16
Johns Hopkins University 13 14 14 15 16 15 7 14 14 15 10 22 15 15 11 15
Brown University 15 13 17 17 16 15 14 10 9 8 9 11 12 18 17 12 19
Emory University 20 20 18 18 18 18 18 16 9 19 17 16 25 21
University of Notre Dame 18 18 19 18 19 19 19 18 19 17 18 19 25
University of California-Berkeley 20 21 21 20 20 20 20 22 23 27 26 23 19 16 16 13
Vanderbilt University 18 18 19 21 21 22 20 20 19 20 22 18 20 25 19
Carnegie Mellon University 22 22 23 21 23 23 23 25 23 28 23 24 24 19 24 22
University of Virginia 23 22 21 23 21 20 22 22 21 21 19 17 21 22 21 18
Georgetown University 23 25 23 24 23 23 23 20 21 23 21 25 17 17 19
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 25 22 25 25 25 25 25 25 23 24 24 21 23 24 22 21
University of California-Los Angeles 25 25 26 25 26 25 25 25 28 31 28 22 23 23 17
Wake Forest University 27 27 28 25 26 28 28 - - 25 - - - - -
U. of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 27 29 29 28 28 25 27 24 27 25 27 - - - 25 20
Tufts University 27 28 27 28 28 29 29 25 23 22 25 - - - -
University of Rochester - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 25</p>
<p>thanks Hazmat. I have the premium editon and know this year's score I wanted to compare it to last year? what was Dartmouth and Columbia's overall score last year? Can anyone help.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>I gave the rag away and of course the online has expired which you already know. I guess you could ask on the school thread or maybe look up an old thread from last year. Sorry</p>
<p>9 Columbia University (NY) 88
9 Dartmouth College (NH) 88</p>
<p>Iceman, would you mind if I use your list to create some math questions this year...mean, median and mode.... more relevant than some of the numbers I use.</p>
<p>can someone tell me where USC ranks</p>
<p>USC is ranked 30th.</p>
<p>One way to look at it is student satisfaction with their 4 years experience at the university/college and how much or little it contributed to their success later in life. I for one have contributed little to one of two colleges I attended (transfered my junior year) and would not recommend it to anyone asking for guidance in regard to choice of a college.</p>
<p>I appreciate the rankings given here, especially by "barrons" on the overall and business rankings; because I am doing a economics/commerce-business degree probably. Thus, some rankings on Social Sciences overall basis or more appreciably Economics itself would be greatly welcome. Thank you all for help. FYI, I'm a south-east-asian grade 12 student.</p>