<p>Cornell is a member of the Ivy League sports conference. It fits the criteria of being a selective, academically-excellent institution. Anyone who doesn’t think this is horribly mistaken.</p>
<p>With the exception of possibly Harvard and Yale, the Ivies are peers to schools like Chicago, Hopkins, Duke, etc. In fact, I think Hopkins was at one time asked to join the Ivy League, but it declined.</p>
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Nope–that’s a myth:</p>
<p>[Hopkins</a> in a league of its own - Features](<a href=“http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2004/02/06/Features/Hopkins.In.A.League.Of.Its.Own-2245636.shtml]Hopkins”>http://media.www.jhunewsletter.com/media/storage/paper932/news/2004/02/06/Features/Hopkins.In.A.League.Of.Its.Own-2245636.shtml)</p>
<p>Of course, that article also states that there are 7 members of the Ivy League, and completely overlooks Penn, so who knows? :)</p>
<p>Cornell is an outlier among its Ivy peers. The athletic conference was founded in 1956, but the Ivies (except Cornell) as peer institutions with a special identity all their own goes back centuries. Even the term “Ivy League” significantly predates the athletic conference. The other seven Ivies were the only seven (currently) private universities to be in existence during the Colonial era. Cornell was founded in 1865. It’s larger than the others, it’s geographically separated from the others, and it has a unique role that combines a variety private colleges with public contract schools, resulting in a slightly higher acceptance rate. So when the Muppet Show plays “One of These Things is Not Like the Other One” for the Ivy League, Cornell will appear to be the obvious answer. But in the year 2010, is Cornell a substandard Ivy? No, it’s one of the great universities in America and fully holds its own among its seven Ivy peers.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, Cornell’s undergraduate reputation index of 92 was 8th in the country, behind only HYPSM, Columbia, and Berkeley.</p>
<p>The Ivy league is a sports conference. That doesn’t mean all the schools there are the same. Some are bigger or smaller, some are urban some aren’t, some offer some different programs of study/ colleges that the others don’t, some university colleges are easier to get into than others.</p>
<p>Admission to Cornell Arts & Sciences and architecture colleges, and the AEM major within CALS, were 14-16% last year, and the aggregate was 18%. To me these seem pretty darned selective. But it is just a fact that they are not the most selective admissions rates in America, there are some other places with sub-10% admissions. When you combine: 2/3 of places are for special-mission colleges which don’t suit everyone, location in upstate New York (it’s actually really nice there, but some don’t screen it that way), and larger # seats to fill than the others, it would be pretty tough to get sub-10% admissions rates there. </p>
<p>As for evaluations of academic programs, quality of life, other factors, that’s more subjective. One objective, US News “undergraduate academic reputation Index” is 92,which is pretty high so I guess some people in academia, or whoever is filling these things out now, think well of its academic programs. The university also showed up quite well in the National Research Council graduate program rankings, those are dated now, but still… </p>
<p>It is what it is. It may be the perfect place for you, or someplace else might be better for you.</p>
<p>This was all a lot more fun for me back in my day, when the big cities were dirty and dangerous, Penn was the easiest to get into by a decent margin and Columbia admit % was not much different than Cornell CAS. Back then most of the comments along these lines were directed towards Penn.</p>
<p>How does the transfer out rate of Cornell compare to the other Ivies?</p>
<p>Do any of the other Ivies offer Guaranteed Transfer In to freshman applicants, like Cornell does?</p>
<p>From what I’ve read, with very few exceptions, the Guaranteed Transfer arrangements are offered to some applicants at Cornell’s specialized “contract colleges”. No other university in the Ivy League offers these particular colleges and exact programs of study, so they have no freshman applicants for these areas in the first place, much less some subset of such applicants who are offered Guaranteed transfer. By the way, as I understand it. transfer is not literally “guaranteed”, it is subject to certain standards, courses, GPA, etc.</p>
<p>As I understand it, Columbia’s College of Engineering has a different version of a Guaranteed transfer, it contractually offers admission to students at participating liberal arts colleges who attain a 3.0 at their college in specified courses. In that case the applicants don’t even apply to columbia up-front, they only need to be admitted to the liberal arts college. so you might say these are “back door” Guaranteed transfers. Dartmouth may offer this as well, I believe something about this has been mentioned on the Smith subforum. Maybe Penn too? Not sure.</p>
<p>By an odd coincidence, the following was just posted elsewhere on CC:
"OTOH, I know someone who completed 3 years at Bates and is now at Columbia for engineering. He would have had essentially a zero chance of being accepted to Columbia straight out of HS, so he is extremely excited and satisfied. "</p>
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What is up with people on these forums?! Are majority of you seriously Ivy bound? First of all, Cornell is an excellent school. It’s really really awesome. Cornell is pretty much the closest you could get to a Hogwarts like school. And the faculty is just mind-blowing. </p>
<p>Secondly, Duke is NOT a safety school. Neither is Tufts. So, OP, use your brain when you read stupid ■■■■■-posts that intentionally exists to throw people off. Unless its too complicated to understand that you need to ask on CC, I’ll be glad to help.</p>
<p>1) The ag college, is that what they call it? See Keith Olbermann v Ann Coulter… Very noble of the university to have low tution…</p>
<p>2) A major in Hotel Administration? When I think of this major, I think of UNLV. Nothing against the Running Rebels, but… I’m not quite sure an Ivy should have this kind of major, highly successful grads from the program notwithstanding…</p>
<p>Just because it is “different” doesnt mean it is bad.</p>
<p>It always seems a thread about Cornell not being an ivy pops up around this time</p>
<p>Employers know how tough Cornell is: it isnt inherently easier than any other ivy/ivy caliber school.</p>
<p>Cornell isn’t ranked in the Top 10 schools, and it has the easiest acceptance rate of all of the Ivy-league schools. However, it is the hardest Ivy League school to graduate from. Cornell counts just as much as an Ivy as any other Ivy-League school.</p>
<p>College of Ag & Life Sciences [which includes majors in business, bio, etc.] #1 in country
Hotel School #1 in world [extremely strong alumni network, students get great jobs]</p>
<p>I’d say Cornell is better than Brown or Dartmouth. It suffices to compare their international rankings (e.g. AWRU and THES).</p>
<p>Cornell seems slightly out of place but is undeniably an Ivy. The reason I say it feels out of place is because its undergrad enrollment is twice that of 6 of the other schools, and also because it was founded nearly 100 years after Penn the second youngest.</p>
<p>The existence of the “contract” schools at Cornell, with much lower tuition and lower testing students has always caused Cornell to be looked at in a different light… both for good and for ill. However, few bother to take a look at the CAS selectivity, size and testing stats, which are never published in USNWR, Common Data Set, Princeton Review, etc… As all these publications post the aggregate Cornell size, selectivity, and testing scores, it appears to the casual observer that Cornell is REALLY big, and the least selective of all the Ivies.</p>
<p>One can only really compare Cornell CAS + Engineering to the other Ivies, where it is compares to Penn pretty evenly, just slightly less selective and very slightly lower 25/75 SAT than the others excepting HYP.</p>
<p>Bottom line, Cornell is a victim of having its endowed and Contract colleges lumped together in one reporting statistic.</p>
<p>Originally posted in [Cornell</a> must STOP being an ivy](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1059932101-post34.html]Cornell”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1059932101-post34.html):</p>
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<p>Fortunately, Shakespeare’s wisdom is available to everyone that is open to it, not just the ivy educated:</p>
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<p>Edit: And for the real critical thinkers seeking the origin of prestige obsession see:</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/Website/Papers/hen&gil.pdf][i]The”>http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/Website/Papers/hen&gil.pdf]The</a> evolution of prestige: Freely conferred deference as a mechanism for enhancing the benefits of cultural transmission](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus]sisyphean[/url”>Sisyphus - Wikipedia)</p>
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<p>I can think of things about each of the non-HYP Ivies that would lead a person to quite rationally choose one over one of the HYPs … for example:</p>
<p>Cornell: Superior in Engineering to all except Princeton, where is is pretty even
Dartmouth: closer faculty interaction, quasi-LAC experience
Penn: Wharton is unique
Brown: the less competitive, more flexible curriculum/grading.
Columbia: the CORE, plus excitement of Manhattan and proximity to Wall St.</p>
<p>those are just a few reasons that HYP are not the only logical Ivies (including Cornell) for cross-admits to all, and others will have their own reasons.</p>
<p>Because they are high school students or people who has never went through a top school. Most people at Ivies and other top schools realize that there a very smart people at all of the top schools, and the smartest 10-15% at each one are about equal; therefore, most people at top schools respect ones at other top schools.</p>
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Penn is not the second youngest. That distinction goes to Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Depending on which event in its history is used as its founding date, Penn is anywhere from 4th to 6th youngest. The founding date Penn officially uses is 1740, making it 6th youngest.</p>
<p>cornell is an ivy,along with hypcpdb,who said it wasn’t an ivy?</p>