<p>Omg, all around me nowadays people kept asking me if I have regretted applying to Cornell. To them, it just doesn't appear as good as Columbia , Dartmouth. Lolz, of course, I get that Yale, Harvard are perhaps more prestigous than Cornell, but what's with the common attitude towards Cornell? Just because it accepts more people than other ivies?
Is it just me or it happens to others as well?</p>
<p>Dont worry i hear the same thing. Even though I am not applying there, a girl in my class applied there and got in, but I have heard plenty of people down play her accomplishment behind her back. I believe they are just jealous but you cant change people, you can only change yourself.</p>
<p>i want to kick people in the face sometimes for saying that.
honestly, the top 20 schools in the nation really have no difference if the school is the right fit for you and the school provides the right program for you. i truly believe that Cornell hotel students will be a lot better prepared than those from Harvard or Yale. </p>
<p>But to answer your question, it's because three of Cornell's 7 colleges are a part of SUNY making them not officially privately owned and that unfortunately degrades them.</p>
<p>A lot of people also think that Cornell is lesser b/c it's acceptance rate is so high. ummm, if you look at the number of undergraduates at cornell (20,000) vs the number of undergrads at other ivies (5,000-6,000) obvioulsy cornell's volume of candidates is not going to increase that much so that their ratio of acceptances to applicants is going to be at 10 or 15 %. That would be an insane amount of applications!</p>
<p>Theres about 13,000 undergrads at Cornell, 6000ish grad students. I agree with you 100%.</p>
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<p>Whoa, finally someone who get me... You don't know how many times i've said almost the exact same thing on this site, in the college search forum. And everytime I say it, people completly ignore it. So I just thought i'd let you know that someone else agrees with you :)</p>
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IMO, when you get into the top 25-30ish colleges, they're so close in academic quality that "prestige" and percieved academic strength don't matter as much as other things such as: financial aid, location, lifestyle, distance from home, weather, size of school, diversity or uniformity, type of campus or even food.
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<p>yeah lol. Somebody I knew was like "it breaks my heart to see the least prestigious of ivies made worse by accepting you"
**** seriously...all I'm gonna say is that he's jealous cos he applied to a liberal arts college ED. Yeah...really...um...why are you talking again?</p>
<p>people are just jealous when they dont know where they going and they probably know that they dont have a shot to go to a good school</p>
<p>unless they can get into Cornell as well, they have absolutely no room to talk and their opinions should mean nothing to you.</p>
<p>I agree with what's been said: Cornell is seen as the lowest ivy (although it's not the lowest ranked) because of it's higher acceptance rate.</p>
<p>Cornell is the biggest of the ivies and they obviously need to accept more students. Also, the enrollment % at Cornell is pretty low because a lot of people don't like the environment and would rather live in a lively city than in an isolated gorge in the middle of nowhere. However, I don't have a problem with the environment because I think its rather soothing and peaceful, especially for learning.</p>
<p>Yea, hgih acceptance rate naturally "seems" to degrade a school's reputation. However, I do understand why so many people feel that a more selective school seems better. In terms of academics, Cornell is up there with any of the ivies. Other peripheral factors, however, do seem to downplay Cornell.</p>
<p>...and its higher acceptance rate is because they allow more people into the university. Cornell doesn't just say they believe in Ezra Cornell's model - they practice it by allowing more people to study there. When he said "I would found an insitution where any person can find any study" that did not mean making it impossible for regular people to obtain an education at Cornell. Having more people in the Unversity allows more "people" to find "any study." </p>
<p>The mission of a land grant university was to establish centers of learning for middle class and working people, and I am proud to say that by Cornell having the schools partially funded by the state, the school remains affordable and true to its original purpose. </p>
<p>Sure, Cornell could make itself just as exclusive as the other Ivy League by only admitting 3,000 people or less per year, but then they wouldn't be true to their foundations nor their purpose. It's a matter of character to bite the bullet to allow more people to study there, and it's precisely why I chose Cornell over the other Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>i think since Cornell they look at your apps in overall not only based on your numbers which somehow doing their job based on their beliefs, i guess why would people care that much, all you basically want is a school to study and gradute, do your best, like even though if you go to a community college you can still be the best in th school and then you can still transfer to what ever college you are interested in.......
no matter is it an IVY or not,..still you go there and study and have fun ...
plus whocares people who come in without good stats can still work their best and make it to success</p>
<p>regardless of what an acne riddled 17 year old high schooler would say, Cornell is actually more highly regarded in terms of academics compared to its ivy peers such as Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia, and penn. This has been confirmed by those in the professional and academic world. This is what really matters.</p>
<p>acceptance rate and misconceptions are possibilities…I frankly don’t see the logic behind deciding which ivy is more superior, they’re all of high caliber and to think that one is “inferior” to another is just plain pathetic ;)</p>
<p>A lot of people I know, like underclassmen, or just regular people in general, seem to view Cornell as one of the less reputable top schools. I don't think it's necessarily that they're jealous (even though it'd be very understandable if they were :-D), but that they aren't as familiar with college stuff as we are. If they're future college seekers, they probably just aren't sure about what they want in a college, and if they're just ordinary people, they've probably only heard of the really big names like HYP. But in the end, what they think doesn't really matter too much.</p>
<p>Okay, now I feel much better. Yeah many reasons cause our school to be reputed less prestigious. But as long as we have faith in it, it is alright.</p>
<p>Take comfort in the fact that 99.5% of college students go to colleges nowhere near as good as Cornell. Yeah, the Dartmouth and Columbia folks may take a swipe at you, but the Harvard, Princeton, Yale folks are taking a swipe at them. And the folks at Oxford and Cambridge sneer at Harvard/Yale/Princeton. And the folks at the various U of Paris campuses think Oxford and Cambridge are fussy and ridiculous. And somewhere there are people laughing at the U of Paris folks. Everybody at an elite college has someone above him and tons of people below him. Why fixate on the few above? Should a person driving a BMW feel crappy because he doesn't have a Rolls Royce? Or should he feel elated that he's not driving a Camry?</p>
<p>1) any way you look at it... Cornell is one of the top 20 universities in the world... almost all rankings support this...</p>
<p>2) quite a few of Cornell's programs exceed those of the other Ivies...</p>
<p>3) Cornell is at least as respected (moreso in some cases) by employers/ graduate schools...</p>
<p>4) Cornell's higher acceptance rate is indeed a product of its size... which i consider a strength of the university...</p>
<p>5) Cornell has lower SAT averages because it has 7 undergraduate colleges... other Ivies have 2 usually (CAS and maybe Engineering)... the differences between the colleges mean that people will be accepted based more on credentials that don't include SAT scores... example: hotel school will accept people with passion for the industry over high standardized test scores... other Ivies can more easily accept high scorers...</p>
<p>6) Cornell's land- grant mission is unique amongst the Ivies and, in my opinion, a stregnth of the university... I do not think that it lowers Cornell's standards in the least and, if anything, it allows Cornell to pursue more meaningful research to the state of New York and offer a more diverse selection of courses of study... it also refects Cornell's goal to give back (Cornell was the highest ranked Ivy of a recent ranking that measured a university's propensity for "giving back")</p>
<p>7) Cornellians have a reputation for being the most "well- rounded" of ivy leaguers... and deservedly so...</p>
<p>so don't listen to what everyone says... be proud to be a Cornellian for all of the reasons that it's better than the other Ivy's... with the new campaign, Cornell's "status" will rise... and we'll all be along for the ride :)</p>
<p>sillyrabbit said that the contract colleges are part of the suny system. This is not true. They are not part of suny. They are private schools at cornell that are under contract with the state as part of Cornells obligation in that Cornell University is a land grant school. As a result the three contract schools have to have a cirriculum that benefits the state of New York and in turn these schools are partially funded by the state. Also as part of this obligation new yorkers who get into these schools get a discounted tuition. But these schools are no less ivy league than the endowed schools. In fact, the in-staters who get into these schools are getting an "ivy education" at a discount.</p>
<p>What would Cornell's acceptance rate be if it had the same incoming freshman class size of the other IVY's?</p>