<p>Just a small aside, if you have any interest in learning Japanese or Chinese, Cornell’s Asian languages program is very very good. I took a year of Japanese when I was in law school and it was fantastic. Could be a big help these days in business.</p>
<p>As someone who lived in Ithaca for 24 years, and visited CMC recently with my son, I’d say Ithaca is definitely a more dynamic place (outside the school). The town is very liberal (look up “City of Evil” for a laugh), so bear that in mind. You will have more of a life (or possibility of a life) outside of the school at Cornell. However, the student suicide rate used to be very high, for a reason (difficulty of classes and probably the weather didn’t help).</p>
<p>I really can’t speak to the Econ or Finance programs. And don’t discount the effext the weather may have on your life and mental health. Ithaca is VERY grey and “seasonal affective disorder” is real for some people. It’s also very cold (disregard if you’re from MN, MI, ND, etc.), but skiing can be fun and there’s some gorgeous scenery and parks for those 5-10 nice days.</p>
<p>I’d agree that someone prone to depression should not attend an academically demanding school far away from where their parents can check what;s going on with them. CMC has a good reputation, I imagine its academic standards are not trivial either. </p>
<p>Cornell has a lot of science. and engineering students. These fields tend to be relatively tough, everyplace, So it has relatively a lot of whiners. People studying in the humanities and socal sciences areas there do not whine about things nearly so much. Certainly the people studying business fields there are not big whiners, they are generally perceived to have among the easier courses. But it is academically challenging there, in every field just about,.</p>
<p>@OldMoney Excuse me, I’m no ■■■■■. Perhaps CMC doesn’t have a great public name, but that is so with many, many LACs. So, like I said, unless your getting a job from a streetside shopkeeper, Cornell won’t boost your prospects any more than CMC will, in the field of Finance. </p>
<p>@monydad Various universities have a huge range of accounting/finance courses, but it doesn’t mean they’re all great.Cornell does probably have a great finance program in comparison to numerous other universities, but I don’t believe it’s as great as CMC’s. </p>
<p>Ain’t that cute! You take the time to answer to a post that appears ridiculous to you, and add one that tops it! </p>
<p>The OP is trying to make a decision he finds hard to make. Obviously, he is not helped by so-called ■■■■■■! And neither is he by people who find it necessary to push their school and probably alma mater by denigrating a school theyr know ABSOLUTELY nothing about. And, yes that comment is for BOTH of YOU, MonyDad and OldMoney. </p>
<p>Perhaps some of you have a different definition of recognition and prestige, but such things matter very little in deciding where to spend the next years. Suffice it to say that the people who will read the résumés of proud CMC or Cornell graduates WILL know what the school stands for. The armies of hillbillies who watch the NCAA football follies of the NASCAR exhibitions will not know much more than your typical JoeSixPack. And, fwiw, in such eyes Cornell might just be “one of 'em Ivy elitist schools” and not as known as Florida or Arizona State. </p>
<p>What is helpful is listing why you think your experience at your school was worthwhile, and why this is still the case in 2014. If your knowledge of the “other” school is based on hearsay or information when dinosaurs still roamed the earth, it might be best to keep it in petto! </p>
<p>One sound advice given above entails to look at the size of the faculty and check the availability of the courses over a period of years. It is a gross mistake to think thet a great number of schools means that many spots will be open for everyone. The size and repetition of the offering is DIRECTLY related to the number of students to please. A school that graduates almost everyone in 8 semesters is a different position than one that has no such restriction. It is also wise to understand what TA will do for you, and go well beyond the usual BULL about TA do not teach but lead lectures. Ask who will GRADE your papers and exams. and the answer might guide you. </p>
<p>In the end, both schools offer wonderful opportunities, and it is a great luxury to have the choice. And the choice should be clear upon visiting both schools! I know my decision was easy after one hour on campus! </p>
<p>I actually don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t recall denigrating any school.
But every time I have a relapse I get reminded about why I stopped doing this.
So relapse over.</p>
<p>You can also compare what courses are offered, and go down into what the courses contain (looking at descriptions, prerequisites, actual course syllabi, reading lists, exams). The same-named departments or majors at different schools may have different emphases or student elective options. However, this evaluation likely requires the assistance of someone who has some knowledge about the field.</p>
<p>Some students may care more about the course content (what is actually taught in the courses) more than the course format (class sizes and the like).</p>
<p>Both schools require econ majors to complete a calculus course, elementary and intermediate microeconomics, econometrics, macroeconomics, and a bunch of electives. For Financial Economics majors, CMC requires a core course in corporate finance, but apparently no course in macroeconomics. </p>
<p>I count many more econ courses available to CMC students than to Cornell students (90 v. 58).
That is an unusual statement to be able to make in comparing a LAC to a research university.
The availability of courses at nearby consortium schools greatly expands the offerings available to CMC students. Maybe there are more than 58 econ courses hiding in the nooks and crannies of Cornell’s various schools and divisions.</p>
<p>I have hired so many Cornellians, my firm told me that I had to diversify. I very begrudging agreed to downgrade, so I hired 2 Princetonians recently. </p>
<p>All kidding aside, Cornell is a large research uni with very strong alumni network. You can’t go any where without a Cornell club. I was having a drink with D1 this Fri, she looked around the bar and she pointed out few Cornellians she knew. It was a bar where she has never been before. When D1 was looking for a job in IB junior year, alumni at IBs hosted various meet and greet events for the students. When a firm decides which school to recruit, it is often decided by how hard the alums push. My firm goes up to Cornell to recruit every year now because of me.</p>
<p>My brother worked overseas for 15+ years. He was moved all over Asia. Every time he arrived at a new place, the first thing he did was to use his alumni contacts.</p>
<p>I’ve seen you do the same thing (wrt denigrating, not wrt ignorance of the other school). A while back, someone was trying to decide between Rice and UT-Austin, and you propped UT’s engineering school and maybe listed some neutral things about Rice’s E, but later you denigrated the neighborhood of Houston where Rice is located as being, run-down and rather bad. Others in the thread classified the area as being boring, cookie-cutter, or something of the ilk, but not necessarily bad.</p>
<p>I don’t know what your affiliation is with UT-A, but I thought your comments were interesting, if not necessarily off base. Nor did I disagree; I would probably find UT-A more interesting than Rice certainly Austin as being > Rice’s Houston, but that’s just me. And most people including myself know how great a university Rice is.</p>
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<p>Are you counting the same course, due to their individual listings? For research institutions, there are sections, discussions, recitations, for larger classes and even for moderate to decently small classes. If CMC does break down what would be larger courses to individual lectures, then good for them. However, five lectures of course xxx is still only one class. There aren’t 90 differently numbered courses. I looked at CMC’s catalogue in econ and saw around 60 courses. I would imagine that Cornell would offer more but don’t offer them every term. </p>
<p>However, wrt breaking down larger classes to smaller at CMC, this is well and fine, but reseach u’s tend to want to consolidate the same course with, say, a handful of different lectures to one, save for something widely taken as Calc. I think I saw CMC’s listing of the same course a few times with the same professor. This will make the same class smaller, but I’m not sure what importance this would have. Is it for more class interaction? What happens if the interaction becomes so deep as this same professor is on sched for one offering, but behind for the other?</p>
<p>Also, if a class is so small with only one person, this could cause a severe lack of competition and drive. Where would this student’s motivation lie? Where is the prof’s motivation to challenge the student wrt others?</p>
<p>Haha, keep on twisting and digging into the depths of the forum for more comments. It will not make them relevant to this discussion. Again, it is about talking about schools without knowledge. </p>
<p>You remain utterly confused about this, and about the issues discussed in the Texas threads. </p>
<p>Difficult choice, where the things that count the most really depend upon the person. I’d pick CMC without a hesitation for myself as I am a fan of LACs. The only hesitation I would have in recommending CMC to an east coaster is because it is so different and it is not in a mainstream city so though it is hardly a tiny school with the consortium, it is a bit isolated, and you may be more comfortable in Cornell if you come from an area where it is a mainstream choice. My kids, for instance, would have many degrees of contact with many people at Cornell. There has to be a dozen of kids going to Cornell from their high school and some right in the neighborhood. I’m don’t know anyone personally with a kid going to CMC, no one from the high school is there or at any of the Claremont schools right now. So it’s more outside the area of familiarity. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but something some kids might not like as much as the familiarity. </p>
<p>^ On top of that, many of those 90 courses are NOT economics classes. They include bunch of accounting, business law, and business stats. In fact, I am not impressed with the variety as far as econ goes and there’s almost no finance course. It does have solid offering in accounting, which is a trade!</p>
<p>Woandering,
The main reason you haven’t heard much about Cornell’s finance is because Cornell is strong in many areas and it doesn’t market itself as “a school for economics”. CMC and their fans can think of their econ as their strongest department within CMC all they want but that comparison is only INTERNAL. By the way, CMC has very limited offering in finance. You are confusing finance with accounting. They are VERY different!</p>