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us news begs to differ with that statement. Especially since Dartmouth is a higher feeder school
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I believe that data is correct but I'd be careful about the conclusions you draw from the data. I would guess that students who attend Dartmouth are already predisposed to go to grad school at a higher rate than those who attend Cornell. For example, 25% of Cornell undergrads go to the engineering school and the vast majority of those plan on engineering to be their careers, at least for a while after school ... so Cornell probably has more kids looking for a career right out of school ... so I'd expect Dartmouth to have better "feeder stats" ... does that explain the whole difference I do not know.</p>
<p>All that said if these are your two options ... congrats on having two great choices ... and I would think the difference in the feel of the fit of the two schools (do visit and stay overnight with current students) outways any "ranking" type difference of these two great schools.</p>
<p>columbia has a better name than dartmouth, it has a more prestigious name.. but i'd say darmtouth has better education.. and cornell has the best engineering school in the ivy - hands down. but i don't like its big student body.</p>
<p>what about for someone looking towards business? i know dartmouth doesnt really have a business program and cornell's is new...</p>
<p>but what about either:
dartmouth - econ major and then business grad school (do grad schools prefer a more liberal arts based education?)
vs.
cornell - applied economics & management major in CALS (sorta business? with agriculture? i don't know...) its a new program so i don't really know how good it is.. its ranked #11 for business programs altho it is its 1st year out</p>
<p>First off, many people have already proven why the WSJ report as utter trash. Second, UsNews isn't exactly the pinnacle of college judgement either, unless you really think Penn is better than Stanford and MIT. Anybody who picks Dartmouth over Cornell for "prestige" will be solely disappointed - most people haven't heard of either, but Cornell is probably a bit more well known. Seeing as they are two completely different schools, it depends on the atmosphere you want. I prefer the atmosphere of a research university strong in the sciences, so for me it would be Cornell hands down.</p>
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Well, since you say Prelaw, I'd go with Dartmouth too</p>
<p>Unless you want corporate/patent, then maybe the engineering background would be useful
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Just a thought - Dartmouth engineering is very good, too, and if you think an engineering background would help, he can get an excellent one at Dartmouth. For one thing, he will get more attention at Dartmouth...</p>
<p>Not that prestige should be a huge factor in choosing schools but I fail to see how Dartmouth is more prestigeous. I'm from the West Coast and went to a fairly prestige-conscious high school and never even heard Dartmouth mentioned. I'm sure Cornell carries more name recognition in the international arena. I tried to compare the peer review scores of the two schools on London Times' World University rankings. I found Cornell's but couldn't locate Dartmouth's ranking to find the score. If someone could help with that...</p>
<p>"I'm from the West Coast and went to a fairly prestige-conscious high school and never even heard Dartmouth mentioned. I'm sure Cornell carries more name recognition in the international arena"</p>
<p>That's cause Cornell's graduate engineering school is well known. not for it's undergradute. </p>
<p>"London Times' World University rankings."</p>
<p>That's for graduate school rankings... do you see freshment SAT scores being used for that ranking? i think not. you don't need anyone's help for that. just read more critically.</p>
<p>This thread is just getting stupid. Cornell or dartmouth is a choice of the applicant based on personal preference. but if you want to see cornell getting served, please visit the princeton board...</p>
<p>last note, selectivity says a lot about a school. so i don't know. what od you think? Dartmouth or Cornell (it'd be sad if cornell has a lower yield rate than acceptance rate).</p>
<p>No offense, but I think prestige should be based on the quality of academics, quality of professors, research achievements, and the quality of undergrads coming out of the institution rather than SAT scores or acceptance rates. This is not to say that Cornell is necessarily better than Dartmouth in those categories but, in my opinions at least, that should be the criteria in evaluating the prestige of a university.</p>
<p>This year Cornell switched to the Common App and its # of applications shot up so its acceptance rate will be lower. Does that mean Cornell is suddenly a better school or more prestigous? No. It just mean that applicants can now check "Cornell University" when they finish their app. Cornell could knock down half their dorms next year and accept 1/2 the number of people they usually do. Does that necessarily convey prestige? Not if you want anything other than WashU prestige.</p>
<p>It's easy to increase your yield rate or decrease your acceptance rate. Just spend money on advertising and use the waitlist extensively. It's a lot harder to change a school-wide system of grade inflation into a system actually holds its students to a high standard and ensures they will do the work they need to. I'm glad to see Princeton go in that direction.</p>
<p>1) There is no such thing as an "unbiased" opinion - if you want people to pick the school they like better, you cannot expect them to weed out their own preferences in making the selection. That just makes no sense.</p>
<p>2) If you wanted a neutral perspective, Columbia board is NOT the place to find it. There are certain types of students that apply to Columbia - and trust me, they're NOT the same kinds of people that apply to Dartmouth. Columbia is in arguably the most exciting city in the world, its students love diversity (of race, background, opinions, accents, EVERYTHING) and thrive on the energy of PEOPLE. Naturally, they would pick a school with more "going on" (even if it comes in the form of more students). As someone pointed out before on this thread, to rally the pro-Dartmouth folk, you'd probably want to go to the Princeton board. Though nothing against Dartmouth (many of my friends are Dartmouth/Princeton hopefuls), my impression when I visited was a much more mellow, homogenous environment. It reminded me a bit of high school - similar fashions of entertainment, similar dress, etc etc. Columbia is quirky, Dartmouth is flat.</p>
<p>2.5-edit) I won't even comment on rankings/prestige/"lower ivy", b/c that's just garbage. I will say, however, that college is what you make of it - stats can only show so much - and a low student:faculty isn't going to do crap for someone who has no self-motivation. On the flip side, a high student:faculty may not even be noticeable if one is willing to do a bit of legwork and seek out one's own opportunities :)</p>
<p>3) Above and below are my biased opinions. I love science and math, and though I really don't know terribly much about Cornell, Dartmouth and I did not agree when we met :P, so my pick goes to CU.</p>
<p>First off, this is not the first year that cornell has been using common app. From what i've known, Cornell has been using common app for quite some time. SAT scores of incoming freshmen and selectivity shows the QUALITY of the student body. Of cousre quality of the professors and research oppurtunities are important. But Dartmouth is a liberal arts institution like Harvard whereas cornell is a research university like Penn. Unless someone has a clear idea of what he wants to study, going to a school like cornell by applying to one specific school will limit his career options. Futhermore, a school like Cornell with 2 - 3 times more undergraduate students than Dartmouth will not give a lot of focus to undergrads, class size will be large, and contact with professors will be rare as Cornell has to power its graduate schools, which I agree are more presitigious than Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Dear princetonwannabe, if you want to troll Cornell, at least get the facts straight. This is Cornell's first year using the common app. So, you obviously know very little about Cornell, and yet you still choose to troll it. Secondly, I'm sure SAT score reflects the quality of the student body, because the SATs are a great assessment of intelligence. I mean, everyone who got a 1600 is blatantly smarter than anyone who got a 1590, and so on. I'm also sure you can say that Cornell doesn't give attention to undergraduates, because you've attended Cornell. Oh, wait, you didn't. So why don't you shut your hole and go away.</p>
<p>lololol
Neutral, this is an online forum.. you won't have to cry and pee in your pants and ask for mommy over something on an online forum do you? gee, it's okay...</p>
<p>btw, are all Cornell students moody like you? ouch. that would hurt...</p>
<p>Are all Princetonwannabe's stupid like you? ouch. that would hurt... but I am done here. I don't need to trade words with someone who is so blatantly one-sided and ignorant.</p>
<p>And I think I realize this is an online forum; unlike you, I don't devote 1,261 posts to it, because I have a real life. I just happen to take particular when someone decides to shoot off their mouth at something they know nothing about.</p>