Cornell vs. VT vs. Notre Dame

<p>I've been accepted to these three schools but can't decide which is best for me. I plan on pursuing a degree in engineering (civil or mechanical but that could change). All three schools have great alumni connections, and impressive programs. Here are some things I'm considering:</p>

<p>Cornell
-best engineering school of the three (eng is one of the most popular majors, and strongest at Cornell)
-love the project teams and hands-on real world leaning in the engineering school
-I'd get to go to school with my sister
-can't really see myself living there (climate)</p>

<p>Notre Dame
-love the sports atmosphere
-match up well with the student body
-not as strong engineering school (smallest college at nd)
-religious factor
-can totally see myself living there</p>

<p>Virginia Tech
-I'm in the honors college
-great regional reputation, unsure about national (compare to Cornell and nd)
-in state tuition
-weather is way better than Cornell and nd
-great triathlon team (plan to join)
-good engineering school, but the rest of the university is not as advanced (what if I decide engineering isn't for me?)</p>

<p>They are all great choices, but I'm having a really hard time deciding. Any input or experiences are much appreciated!! Thank you!</p>

<p>Is there a significant price difference? Is the ND religious factor a plus or minus for you?</p>

<p>Cornell or Vtech. Which essentially comes down to your personal financial situation. ND should not be in consideration here.</p>

<p>Whatever you do, don’t let an anonymous person on CC choose for you. Just take their advice and that’s it. They’re not in your shoes and cannot make decisions for you.</p>

<p>As for my advice: In terms of academic strength, VT and Cornell are equal. ND on the other hand, is a bit lower but still very good. If academics are important to you, I would start looking more at VT and Cornell and see which one fits you better and had what you would want.</p>

<p>Cries & Whispers: You really need to elaborate. What is your experience with these three schools? Have you attended all three of them? Hired anyone from any of them? Known numerous people (not just one or two) who have attended them?</p>

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<p>mjcolt45: I evaluate executives for a living. </p>

<p>Your decision should come down to personal fit, and affordability, if there is much of a dollar difference for you. You should also consider, as you mentioned, how likely you are to change majors. I was told by an admissions officer at a large university that on the average nationally, 70% of college students change their majors. Cornell and Notre Dame both will have far more options beyond engineering and other STEM majors than VPI.</p>

<p>VPI is known nationally, although the reputation is not as strong as Cornell’s. Regardless of Notre Dame’s US News ranking for engineering (it’s little lower than that of the other two), if I get a resume from a Notre Dame engineering grad, I will assume that he or she is extremely bright and that the school provided plenty of resources and excellent teaching while he went there.</p>

<p>Be wary of using US News Rankings for engineering schools, because those are entirely based upon peer rankings, and peers generally rank a school based on their research and the sheer size of the engineering school (research is done by profs and grad students for the most part, and often can get in the way of teaching undergrads). Small engineering schools don’t necessarily mean poor quality, unless you felt when you visited that the department is ignored and a stepchild. Often, small means smaller classes and closer contact with professors. </p>

<p>All three have strong academic reputations, in other words, and employers will look well upon a degree from any of them. Being a state school, VPI will have less money to spend than the other two, so they will likely have larger classes, more grad students teaching or less access to resources than the other two (IPEDS Data indicates that VPI’s average spending on instruction per student is $9,117; Notre Dame’s is $27,444 and Cornell’s is $20,159). Don’t use these numbers as absolutes, either, because different institutions use different accounting methods, but the differences are great enough to indicate that VPI is spending less than either of the other two. </p>

<p>All three have strong alumni networks, with Cornell and Notre Dame having the strongest ones, and people working in other areas besides engineering (bear in mind that it can be handy for you when getting a job if a non-engineer alum from your school is in a senior position in private equity or any of a hundred other positions).</p>

<p>Regarding weather, the weather at both Notre Dame and Cornell are about the same, so if you hate the climate at Cornell, you’ll hate the Notre Dame climate, too. VPI will be a fair amount warmer, and is tucked in a nice mountainous area. Cornell has a stunning location on a lake with gorges at the base of campus and rolling hills all around. South Bend is pretty much surrounded by flat farmland. None offer easy access to a city (but most of your college life revolves around what happens on campus, anyway).</p>

<p>So it all comes down to fit - don’t make the decision based on which engineering school is supposed to be the best, unless you really feel that the engineering school is far worse than that of the other two). Which place has kids that you like? How important is the weather to you? Which one will you give you the most individual attention and the best access to cutting-edge facilities and prominent faculty? Which one can you afford? How important is it that you go to college with your sister? Is the religious atmosphere at Notre Dame a plus or a minus to you? </p>

<p>If you’re saying that you really feel most comfortable at Notre Dame (I’m not a graduate, nor do I have any association with the school, by the way), you should go there, as long as you can afford it. It is an excellent school, and you will get fantastic education there.</p>

<p>I think the financial factor should be the most important as both Cornell and Notre Dame can be quite expensive. </p>

<p>If finance is a non-issue, I don’t agree that Notre Dame is academically inferior to V-Tech. I know that I am a little biased. I think Notre Dame gets a bad rep for engineering due to its smaller size and its undergrad focus. Even with the bad rep, its a still top 50 engineering school according to US News. </p>

<p>V Tech is a good school, but it is also really only known for engineering. What if you decide to change majors (A lot of people do that, I think 2/3 of my intro to engineering class switched majors). I hate to say it, but I think the overall prestige factor for Notre Dame and Cornell are both higher than V Tech’s. I am friends with some recruiters at non engineering companies, and they agree with me. </p>

<p>I think an engineering degree from any of the 3 schools will get you far in life, but I don’t think you should rule out Notre Dame because it is allegedly academically inferior in engineering.</p>

<p>@boondocks “Cornell and Notre Dame both will have far more options beyond engineering and other STEM majors than VPI.”</p>

<p>I assume you mean more “prestigious” options? I’m not going to bother counting different majors at each university because I’m sure Va Tech has a comparable amount and probably a few that the others do not.</p>

<p>@boondocks “Being a state school, VPI will have less money to spend than the other two, (IPEDS Data indicates that VPI’s average spending on instruction per student is $9,117; Notre Dame’s is $27,444 and Cornell’s is $20,159). the differences are great enough to indicate that VPI is spending less than either of the other two.”</p>

<p>Va Tech is the 6th largest producer of engineers in the U.S. The statistic you quoted does not take into account economies of scale. It’s possible that Va Tech has more state of the art laboratories than much smaller engineering programs even though the per-unit spending is lower.</p>

<p>To the OP - were you able to visit each of the three schools? Since you are in-state at VaTech I’m assuming that the price is substantially lower than ND and Cornell unless they provided substantial grants/aid. Even if your parents can afford all three don’t assume that cost is not an issue. If you like all three then consider asking your parents to write you a check for the cost difference upon graduation from Va Tech. :)</p>

<p>Can you afford them all? Price differences?</p>