<p>what are your thoughts on cornell u? Prestige, anything...more specifically the ilr program, but talk about anything you want.</p>
<p>Cornell is a fantastic school and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise.</p>
<p>Alot of people enjoy trashing Cornell, and calling it a lesser Ivy. Frankly, it is pretty damn unfounded. Cornell offers a number of excellent, highly specialized schools, as well as high quality offerings in the more traditional areas of study. Each school within the college is very autonomous, and so they all apply somewhat different criteria when reviewing applications. Some, such as ILR, were created via an agreement with the state, and thus give preference to in-state applicants. Even still, the quality is excellent, and the school's size and location creates a social scene and campus culture rarely found at elite private universities.</p>
<p>Overall, I think Cornell is the best Ivy when you consider location (I don't like urban), campus beauty, academic quality, optimal size (I don't like small). But, admission is harder than most students realize. Its specialty schools are the best in the world. Its Arts and Sciences and Engineering are among the best in the country. Arts and Sciences is nearly as selective as Dartmouth. Engineering is the best in the Ivies.</p>
<p>Comp Sci and Physics are also very strong at Cornell. And it has a wide assortment of language offerings - the Asian studies department offers 17 different languages. Burmese, anyone?</p>
<p>for me, the biggests cons to cornell would be: it's in the middle of nowhere, it reportedly gets very few days of sunlight, and it's huge.</p>
<p>those are the main reasons students might take issue with it</p>
<p>The biggest detractor for me was the location. I prefer urban settings. I hear the ILR school is very good.</p>
<p>I think you will get more info on the ILR program if you post on the Cornell forum. Most of the current students in that forum are ILRies.</p>
<p>"such as ILR, were created via an agreement with the state, and thus give preference to in-state applicants."</p>
<p>why do people post if they don't know what they're talking about. cornell's contract colleges do not give preference to in-state applicants.</p>
<p>three words: lake effect snow.</p>
<p>so basically the only negatives are weather and size?</p>
<p>I wouldn't say they're negatives for everybody, but weather, size, and location as well are all major factors for those who decide to attend or not attend.</p>
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<p>no, they're right.</p>
<p>"The statutory colleges receive direct funding from New York State and were created by Acts of the state legislature... The statutory colleges include... the School of Industrial and Labor Relations"</p>
<p>Amongst the Ivies in my opinion Cornell feels the most like a research University in the vein of Cal or Michigan than an undergrad focused school like a Dartmouth or Princeton. Many prefer research driven schools, but they aren't for me. </p>
<p>Undergrad focused Ivies come with some characteristics that I greatly appreciate: strong alumni loyalty, the lack of TAs, strong recruiting, access to grants that comes with going to a well endowed school, small classes, great study abroad, and getting to know a large percentage of my class. Research schools tend to be weaker in these areas.</p>
<p>So I see these as negatives for Cornell: Largest student body (too big for me), poorest Ivy per student, least selective (even A&S), grade deflation, not the best business recruiting amongst Ivies, least alumni loyalty, too many different schools within the university.</p>
<p>you really think Harvard pays more attention to their undergrads than Cornell? How about Penn?</p>
<p>"no, they're right."</p>
<p>oh boy. another one. read this excerpt from a question asked on the Dear Uncle Ezra advice column. and i did not say that ILR is not a contract college, i simply noted that New York State residents do not have a preference in admissions! and Cornell University in general was established by an act of the New York State legislature. (i call it a "contract" college v. a "statutory" college because the legislation that established the colleges allows for either term). </p>
<p>Quote:
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<p>Dear Uncle Ezra,
I have a question concerning Cornell's status as an Ivy League School. According to definition,
an Ivy League school is a private instution, and part of some type of sports league which was established back in the day. These institutions include Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. However, Cornell is made up of not only the private A+S, Engineering, and Architecture schools, but Hum Ec, Ag, and ILR. (Not sure about Hotel)Despite any notability they might have, they are significantly easier to get into for NY state residents, and cheaper as well due to their status as a public state school. Therefore,
isn't it true that these schools are NOT Ivy League? shed the light proud arts and science student
Dear proud,</p>
<p>I too am proud of the College of Arts and Sciences undergraduates just as I am equally proud of the outstanding students in Human Ecology, CALS, ILR, Hotel, Engineering, and AAP, and the graduate and professional schools as well. Cornell University is a unique and wonderful place with many special qualities. I think, however, that you have several misconceptions about the university, including its status as an Ivy League institution, its admissions policies, and the caliber of our student body.</p>
<p>1) The Ivy League is an athletic conference. What sets this group of schools apart from other conferences is its adherence to the Ivy agreement, which most notably reflects common admissions standards and the absence of athletic scholarships. The Ivy schools are Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and Yale. To learn more see Q11 from 2/18/03 posting.</p>
<p>2) Cornell University is a land grant university for the State of New York, so our mission is both public and private, which is one of the many unique features that sets Cornell apart from our Ivy peers. This standing also puts us in another elite group of other land grant institutions across the U.S.</p>
<p>3) At one time, Cornell University's contract colleges (Agriculture and Life Sciences, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations) used residency as a factor in the admissions process. However, it is important to note that these colleges have always admitted the best students, regardless of residency. As the applicant pools have begun to shift and the university receives larger numbers of domestic and international applications, university statistics suggest that residency has actually become a non-factor in admission to these colleges. In general, the proportion of New York State residents who are admitted and enroll in these colleges is equivalent to the proportion of NYS students in the entire applicant pool. This has actually been the case for several years.</p>
<p>that does not answer whether or not the contract schools are ivy league.</p>
<p>this one here does.</p>
<p>"- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Question 2 - - May 3, 2007 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -</p>
<p>Dear Uncle Ezra</p>
<p>Is it true that the college of Arts and Science is the only Ivy League college? Does this mean that,
though i was accepted to CAS, if I tranfer to CALS for the AEM program i won't have an ivy league degree?</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
<p>Dear IV Leaguer,</p>
<p>All of the colleges of Cornell University are Ivy League. But the "Ivy League" may not be what you think it is. </p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and Princeton joined together as an inter-scholastic athletic league in the late 1800s, and were officially known as the "Four League" or, in roman-numeral designation, the "IV League". The League kept this "IV" or "Ivy" name even when their major opponents -- Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, and Pennsylvania -- were added to the group. Browse through the Uncle Ezra archives for more information about the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Perhaps if our more than 1100 intercollegiate athletes only attended the College of Arts and Sciences this statement would be true. People often forget that the Ivy League is an athletic conference and not an elite group of Northeast colleges and universities. Cornell celebrates the academic fortitude of each of our seven undergraduate colleges. And our Department of Athletics is proud that student athletes make up each of those colleges and schools. Together we are all part of the Ivy League</p>
<p>Uncle Ezra"</p>
<p>I personally love the bigness of Cornell. It's really awesome to be able to meet new people each and every day. The campus life is great as there are many things going on all around campus (seminars, clubs, parties, etc.). You don't need to take the subway or the bus to find something fun to do. And Cornell is so diverse that you will never feel out of place. You will eventually find your niche within the student body. </p>
<p>And, mrsopresident, play nice. Stop setting traps and waiting for people to fall in lol It's almost too easy dispelling the misconceptions people have about Cornell on here. Grade deflation? nope. Avg. GPA is over 3.3. High suicide rate? Nope. Right around the national average.</p>
<p>ok, then i guess i was wrong, i thought that by virtue of being contract colleges they owed a certain percentage of available space to NY residents (like how UNC does admissions).</p>
<p>although it should be noted that those schools do not explicitly ignore residency status, just that by way of practice it has seemed to have become a non-factor.</p>