Corzine wants 18 year olds to leave the State

Colleges and Universities A-Z Rutgers University
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<p>The state legislature was all set to re-up the scholarship program, which only requries $200 million, penny change with the new tax hikes and Corzine stepped in and Vetoed it. Rutgers, the best public University in the State of New Jersey, has lost its scholarships for in-state residents. Now where do we go? The answer is out. </p>

<p>Maybe this was a brilliant political tactic, b/c the voters who are going to hate these fiscal polices are the college bound non-property holding individuals, so if they move out of the state, he will not have the people voting in the next election.</p>

<p>If you are smart, there is no reason to stay in NJ (for more reasons than one). Assuming your are one of the 15/16 applicants who get rejected from Princeton, but feel you need to be academically challenged LEAVE! There are better places for you. Also, either you or your family is going to have to pay for it, so it is in your best interest to go to a prestigious college, that can set you up down the road.</p>

<p>New Jersey pays the most for public schools in the nation (I almost certain on that fact), and we have parents who have connections to the larger cities in the area and put a high premium on academics. So as a result we produce a multiude of quality applicants for good schools. However, we are forced to leave the state, because there is no where for us to go! </p>

<p>Its sad when the tops of a public high school can feel that they will be able to go to a challeging public school without leaving thier state. For shame Corzine! We'll all go to California!</p>

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<p>I agree.. I'm in shock with Corzine's slash of the Outstanding Scholars Program. I really don't see how the decision makes ANY sense, when there were so many other, less vital programs to cut from higher ed (hey, I won't even try to say cut from other places). The budget restores some of the cut from UMDNJ to help restore its image (many believe the huge cuts on higher ed result from UMDNJ's scandal in the past year). It also only cuts half of some vet program, and there are a ton of other programs such as that which could be cut. To be honest, so many programs are draws for a specific, relatively small group of students (i.e. the pre-vet program). The Outstanding Scholars Program was almost universally the biggest draw for all of the honors students at Rutgers.. and many at TCNJ. Without scholarships to make Rutgers an attractive choice for intelligent NJ-ers, I bet about 5 students will live in Brett and McCormick Halls (the honors dorms) when these changes take effect.</p>

<p>One thing I want to comment on is how you say that NJ students will have to look OOS to be academically challenged. Though the money will no longer be a draw, Rutgers and TCNJ are still both academically excellent and I don't think that will change much. I've never felt that I am getting a worse education than I could have gotten at another, more "elite" college.</p>

<p>By the way, I the scholars program was only $4.3 million, not even the $200 mill. you state!! <a href="http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/07/10/nj%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/07/10/nj&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>that is really f- uped.</p>

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<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=212963%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=212963&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I don't know how to move, but here is the main discussion on this infamous topic.</p>

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<p>Have you taken courses at other colleges? I don't know, my time spent at Rutgers was not the most challenging time of my academic career.</p>

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<p>It depends what courses you take. You can choose your schedule to be really easy or really difficult. Honors orgo (which I took last semester) was the most difficult course I've ever taken and I don't think that it can be much harder at any other college. I know the textbook we used is used at other elite colleges like Rice. Next semester I'm taking Molec. Bio. and Biochem, which is cross-listed as a graduate school course. So, if I had only taken intro to psych and expos, I would have been able to get by without much studying. But, if you want to challenge yourself at rutgers, the opportunity is there for you.</p>

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<p>I just visited, Rutgers says that any previously given scholarship will remain renewable for the duration of a total of 4 years, and that this program was only 70% funded by the state. They are currently undergoing big changes regarding the consolidation of schools, applications and financial aid. </p>

<p>The main question is will it be free rides for a few, or a little money for many?</p>

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<p>From an email sent to all students by McCormick: "In the same way, we will honor the scholarships of all students entering Rutgers this fall under the Outstanding Scholar Recruitment Program (OSRP), despite the Governor's line-item veto of state funding to support new OSRP scholarships."</p>

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<p>The question also remains as to what the quality of the education and the experience will be now that these drastic cuts need to be implemented.</p>

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<p>Right now I have a 1510/1600 SAT score and I am ranked in the top percentile of my class. So now I will no longer receive a free ride if I go to Rutgers (I'm in state)?</p>

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<p>Is this seriously true? The scholarships I was offered when I applied to rutgers are no longer valid? Those were the main reason I'm going to rutgers! This is insane!</p>

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<p>Rutgers put out a statement on their website which clearly affirmed their intention to set aside funds for Outstanding Scholar awards for "the incoming class." My inference was that the award was made for 4 years, so the funding would be for all 4 years. I then wrote and asked for affirmation that I understood the statement correctly. The following is my e-mail and an almost immediate reply. Trevor's e-mail </p>

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<p>Dear </p>

<p>Thank you for your email.</p>

<p>I greatly appreciate the fact that you want to make absolutely sure that
your son will receive the Outstanding Scholar award that he has been
promised throughout his four years at Rutgers. I agree that our wording
should be as clear as possible.</p>

<p>I have reached out to the university's budget office to make sure that
members of this year's incoming class will receive the Outstanding
Scholar awards that they have been promised all the way through their
four years at Rutgers.</p>

<p>I have been assured that it is our intention to honor these scholarships
for all four years.</p>

<p>I hope this puts your mind at ease.</p>

<p>If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to ask.</p>

<p>I hope your son has a wonderful experience at Rutgers.</p>

<p>Greg Trevor</p>

<p>Is there wiggle room in here? I'm not sure. If you want further assurances, here is the gentleman's e-mail address: </p>

<p><a href="mailto:gtrevor@ur.rutgers.edu">gtrevor@ur.rutgers.edu</a></p>

<p>Let us know what you hear.</p>

<p>Dad23</p>

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<p>This is an old and still valid complaint from NJ residents. The legislature and other powerbroker in the state feel that they can be indifferent to the extra high cost of Rutgers and the overall well-being of the university. NJ residents are just a victim of history and demographics. Nearly all of the state's colleges and universities were private until relatively recently, historically speaking. And as in much of the east, many Catholics prefer colleges with that religious affiliation. As such, public higher ed in NJ was never a favorite child of the state. And, with so many recent arrivals and transients in NJ, no matter how well paid they are, don't give much thought to Rutgers. I always find it interesting that lawmakers like Corzine, who are graduates of elite private colleges, find it so easy to dismiss the concerns of public colleges. Simplistic, yes, but that always seems to be the case.</p>

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<p>
[quote]
Dear</p>

<p>Thank you for your email.</p>

<p>I greatly appreciate the fact that you want to make absolutely sure that
your son will receive the Outstanding Scholar award that he has been
promised throughout his four years at Rutgers. I agree that our wording
should be as clear as possible.</p>

<p>I have reached out to the university's budget office to make sure that
members of this year's incoming class will receive the Outstanding
Scholar awards that they have been promised all the way through their
four years at Rutgers.</p>

<p>I have been assured that it is our intention to honor these scholarships
for all four years.</p>

<p>I hope this puts your mind at ease.</p>

<p>If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to ask.</p>

<p>I hope your son has a wonderful experience at Rutgers.</p>

<p>Greg Trevor</p>

<p>Is there wiggle room in here? I'm not sure. If you want further assurances, here is the gentleman's e-mail address:</p>

<p><a href="mailto:gtrevor@ur.rutgers.edu">gtrevor@ur.rutgers.edu</a></p>

<p>Let us know what you hear.</p>

<p>Dad23

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<p>That's a huge relief. I'll try and find out on my own and see what they say. thx for the ans!</p>

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<p>Corzine graduated fron Illinois- as a state resident- grad school was Chicago</p>

<p>Also while I agree state aid to colleges should not be cut what what should. Corzine did present a balanced budget with a tax increase and he was hammered for that. I follow the budget process and while I do not agree with many choices at least this budget was not as phony as the past 2 govs. presented.</p>

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<p>I was planning to go to Rutgers in the Honors program under the Outstanding Scholars Program. With my SAT scores that would have given me an automatic full ride. Now, Rutgers is completely off my list with financial aid from the Ivy's and the like giving me a much better deal. </p>

<p>I believe the money saved in Corzine's budget will ultimately cost the state billions by losing the best and the brightest. Once I'm out of this state, I don't see myself returning.</p>

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<p>Wait to see where you get in and how much money you're getting from everyone first before you jump to conclusions. I'm here on a full ride, so I without a doubt sympathize with you, but Rutgers is still probably going to give out some very big scholarships, espescially if you're Ivy-caliber.</p>