Cost of Attendance Question

@dadof2d Political science and mid-size liberal arts colleges! FAFSA only schools are too expensive as they don’t meet my full need in most cases. We have a gap around $10-30k for a ton of schools even with scholarships.

My dad used to live in New York a few years back. Making 70k there isn’t bad, but he moved in order to save money because of the higher costs of living as compared to other states.

As a person who has been working with students and opportunity programs for almost 20 years (and has sent a lot of young women to HEOP at Barnard and I also attend Barnard’s HEOP day for prospective candidates annually) your parent’s combined income of $100k will not financially make you an economically disadvantaged student, which are pretty close to the same as HEOP, with the only difference being, BOP students do not reside in NYS.

Please see the HEOP Economic guidelines (BOP will not be that far off)

https://parttime.syr.edu/students/prospective-students/heop-program/heop-eligibility-and-economic-guidelines/

@sybbie719 Thanks for your input, but I believe that it for the admissions officers to decide! :slight_smile:

If you meet the other requirement and have already applied, then it is worth it to keep your application in.

However,have lots of backup plans. I noticed that one of the requirements is to have a maximum of ACT 24 on the English portion. That’s a low score if you are otherwise trying to get into LACs with a lot of financial aid.

This part pertains to the HEOP part of the program only, which is for NYS residents. HEOP/EOP (SUNY0, SEEK/CD (CUNY) opportunity programs for NYC/NYS students are a 2- part process where you must be both academically and financially disadvantaged. Funding for HEOP will be a combination of Federal aid, NYS aid, NYS aid from the opportunity programs and funding from Barnard. While students may get a wink on SAT scores, they will not get a wink on GPA.

BOP looks for high-achieving students from disadvantaged backgrounds.. The 24 on the ACT does not pertain to BOP students. There may be a slight drop in SAT scores, but not as low as they will dip for HEOP. What they are particularly looking to target is low income students from outside of NYS.

While OP has tossed her application in, she will just have to wait and let the process play itself out However, no matter how she tries to slice it, Barnard is not looking at 100k income as low income. the school will look at students with family incomes that align to HEOP (or Questbridge -since they are not a Questbridge school) income guidelines. The number of BOP students accepted is less than 20.

I strongly encourage you to look closely at colleges that only require a FAFSA for financial aid, given the non custodial parent situation. Even though they might not meet 100% of need, the net price might be lower than schools that meet full need, but require the CSS. Run the NPC on some of the schools and see if any are affordable.

Some of the LACs on our list that I believe are FAFSA only that you may want to take a look at include (includes female only schools):

Agnes Scott, Augustana College, Allegheny, College of St. Benedict, Earlham, Hendrix, Juanita, Luther, Marlboro, Southwestern University, St. Mary’s College - Indiana, St. Mary’s College of Maryland, University of Minnesota Morris.

I am sure there are others worth looking at as well.

This is where I read it @sybbie719 , on the Barnard page.

I think it is strange that an 85 average is required, but the max ACT is 24 on English. that’s really threading the needle to be the perfect applicant. One of my kids probably had about an 85 average (like a 3.5?) but had a 30 in Enligh/reading on the ACT. Her issues were in math and science. I’d think she’d have been the type of student Barnard would want, one who really liked school, struggled in some areas but could keep up with other Barnard students in humanities courses.

I guess not.

This student wrote this…

Does that mean that her SAT CR is too high??

@thumper1 For critical reading and writing, the requirement for the critical reading section is to score a 33 or below. I got a 33, just making the requirement! When I emailed admissions for more info, they said that the 620 score was from the Old SAT.

The FAFSA only schools seem to be too out of reach. Many cost double or triple the amount that I’d have to pay with a CSS profile school :confused:

Given that my SAT is at 1200, the merit aid that I do qualify for isn’t covering the gap.

I am applying to Agnes Scott for merit aid, and I’ve been eyeing Earlham as well! I’ll take a look at the others.

Is that 33 your ACT English? The highest score for BOP is 24.

I doubt that there is a critical mass if any students who are applying to college this year with the Old SAT. You having a 33 in the Critical reading will make you ineligible for BOP as 93% of students attending have submitted ACT English scores between 30-33, where 1% have ACT English scores below 24.

While your SAT score is 1200, your EBCRW score is 700 which is above the cutoff for HEOP/BOP

I personally have never had a student that was admitted with an 85 average (which is a solid B, 3.0 gpa student). Most of the students that I have worked with who got in to Barnard HEOP had averages way above 90 (most 95+). The purpose of opportunity programs is to look at students who have been academically and financially disadvantaged and with supports, they can be successful and graduate from colleges where their grades and scores normally will not get them admitted. There are plenty of students who attend Title I schools that don’t have money, access for SAT prep courses (they cannot go home and do Khan academy because they may be working to help support the family or have charge of their younger siblings). Their strong grades in high school talk to what they are capable of doing. HEOP/ EOP students will usually attend a summer program (up to 5 weeks) to help build the skills needed to be successful. In addition they have special counselors, designated study sessions and additional supports through out their 4 years of college. There are studies in NYS that opportunity program students graduate in 4-years at a higher level than non-opportunity program students.

@thumper1 No, the 33 is for my SAT reading score. I received a 33 which equals to 330 and a 37 in writing which equals to 370, therefore boosting my score to 700. The new cutoff is at a 33 or below for reading.

My school is Title 1 eligible and around 2/3 of graduating seniors go to a local cc. There’s a high cost of living where I live at as well and my school is enrolled in a free lunch program for everyone due to the amount of low income students enrolled in the school.

Edit: There was a PDF form for the BOP program from 2013 when the old SAT was used. The reading score for that was a 620 or below. For the new SAT, the reading subsection cutoff is at 33 or below.

The website says:

“A score of a 620 or below on the old SAT Critical Reading, a 24 or below on the ACT English, or a 33 or below on the new SAT Reading section. The SAT Reading section is out of 40, and is not the same as the Evidence-Based Reading and Writing score, which is out of 800.”

@sybbie719 is that an old SAT reading score…or an old PSAT reading score that this poster is writing about.

OP challenge may be while barnard will let you self report your scores, if you get accepted you must report all scores

This being said, if OP only submits the scores that she thinks she needs to get in to BOP and does not submit her her SAT score with the EBWR score of 700, then her admission could be rescinded for misrepresentation.

Um… I only took the SAT one time because I couldn’t afford to take it multiple times. I took it in December in order to maximize my prep time for math which has always been my weakest spot.

Also, I don’t appreciate being assumed as a liar. It’s very hurtful AND rude.

Are these numbers what you have, after your dad has submitted and they have filed the Noncustodial paperwork? Normally, his household expenses should be considered as seperate. I am surprised that the CSS EFC should show thatgreat of a discrepancy to the FAFSA, given that there is a secondary household.