<p>do not tell me that you know someone who can’t get access to the internet SOMEWHERE. i am sure there is a public library SOMEWHERE they could go if they wanted to. you gave lots of information that is supposed to arise sympathy to distract from the point that if people want resources, they are there</p>
<p>@xslacker that wasn’t my argument, that was blue’s. please keep it straight :)</p>
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<p>Even if they COULD how do you propose they pay for the test? Your assumption is false. You can’t assume everyone has 100% access to 100% of the resources…</p>
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<p>OOPS! You are correct sir.</p>
<p>are you actually saying students who underperform on standardized test underperform because they couldn’t pay for the test?</p>
<p>also, a dartmouth psychologist is not an undergrad 
he was quoted in his research saying that the reason most black students stay away from the hard sciences is because do not feel confident in their work because part of the reason they were admitted was because they were black. furthermore, someone asked whether or not there was any evidence of people who did significantly worse getting over other people and a student doing 3.3 GPA and a 152 LSAT getting in over someone with a 3.7 GPA and 164 LSAT with everyone knowing that GPA and LSAT are the MOST important factors into getting into law school shows such significant bias.</p>
<p>@ mj, where did I do that at. Can you please quote me</p>
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<p>Where did I say that? </p>
<p>See… We are on the argument merry go round… Quit misinterpreting what I said. Quote EXACTLY what I said…</p>
<p>This arose from when someone said anyone could get online and utilize ALL of the resources equally. Obviously a false assumption.</p>
<p>“Even if they COULD how do you propose they pay for the test? Your assumption is false. You can’t assume everyone has 100% access to 100% of the resources…”</p>
<p>There are SAT waivers that waive the fee</p>
<p>Indeed there are waivers. Yet that does not prove that this information or any of the resources are available to all students…</p>
<p>Once again, if a large portion of a population in a definable area are under performing there is clear evidence that it’s not as simple as they are slacking or not pulling their weight…</p>
<p>Their are MULTIPLE reasons…</p>
<p>Where do people grow up that they believe they can solve society’s woes with a simple act??? Like eradicating AA will solve all your problems. Like AA is the cause of your problems. LOL.</p>
<p>I didn’t say there was absolutely no access, but I’m saying it’s much more limited and much more difficult to get to for poor areas than others. If you lack transportation, do you want to risk going through dangerous areas just to study for a test?</p>
<p>Again, please note that I think this should be more socioeconomic than racial.</p>
<p>Blue already quoted what you said xslacker so i won’t again. jojouhgogo what are you talking about?</p>
<p>“This arose from when someone said anyone could get online and utilize ALL of the resources equally. Obviously a false assumption.”</p>
<p>Hey now, I said if that was not the case, then you could look it up in books, and ask others.</p>
<p>Also, if you sign up for the SAT online, then you can access the internet, and thus the resources. If you do it through the mail, then you can request for preparation materials. If you do it through your school, ask your counselor for materials. If your school cannot afford the materials, then have the school ask collegeboard for the materials. </p>
<p>By materials, I mean materials based on the FREE services that are offered on the website.</p>
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<p>I’m quoting… Don’t get lazy. It’s easy type quote and /quote in parenthesis…</p>
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<p>Case and point…</p>
<p>The whole white correlation with wealth. Before I go on please affirm this statement: you are saying that not only should AA be changed, until this is done, URMs should not use AA as an advantage ?</p>
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<p>I concede this point. Yet you still assume too much. There are many REASONS why students growing up in poor urban environments don’t succeed. Not one of them is because they are less intelligent…</p>
<p>I still think there are only 2 legitimate courses of action: either keep AA or go ahead and eliminate AA while setting up a process that ensures that URMs don’t mysteriously fall by the wayside.</p>
<p>Notice how every year black enrollment in CA has been declining since Prop 209??? Not a coincidence…</p>
<p>I doubt any of us are about to change our opinions, so can we just agree to disagree? We’ve all experienced different things, and all have different things influencing us as well. There’s plenty of AA arguments here already, and this definitely won’t be the last.</p>
<p>I’m just trying to get to page 20. :D</p>
<p>Someone earlier said we’d never make it to 20. Clearly THAT is an argument we can win.</p>
<p>“I still think there are only 2 legitimate courses of action: either keep AA or go ahead and eliminate AA while setting up a process that ensures that URMs don’t mysteriously fall by the wayside.”</p>
<p>I choose the second option.</p>
<p>I have a third option, but it would involve a giant robot.</p>
<p>@xslacker i’m not lazy i just don’t know how to do the quote thing on this forum. </p>
<p>@jojouhgogo in many posts in this discussion you have alluded to the fact that white people do better because they have money(disregarding that many white people do not have anywhere near the amount that would be needed to have private tutors etc.) </p>
<p>also, my position is that race should not be used in the admissions process. problems that arise from race like harassment or violence could be used to determine why a student underperformed but could excel in a better environment. also, i believe that a student’s environment should also be taken into effect because not every school has the same resources/environment and a student from a crappy school that took the hardest classes available and did exceptionally well in them should not be compared directly to a student at an amazing school who did the same because their environments are different. using race in admissions helps those that don’t deserve it and leaves behind those that do</p>
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<p>I have no problem with the second option but you do realize eliminating AA then creating a new process to ensure URMs aren’t left behind would just be AA 2.0 right???</p>
<p>I have a fourth option. It would be a migical spell that causes all racism to go away.</p>