hardly seems less abrasive. And his first post that started this was completely abrasive. So was his second post where he chose to do nothing but brag about himself, if it is even true. No idea what that was supposed to prove.</p>
<p>But I thought I would direct him to someone else he could argue with, the head of Harvard Medical School. Their web site says quite explicitly
And they only require a year of biology as well. Effectively then a music major as part of the Creative Scholars Program is no different than a music major that gets into Harvard Medical School, except for the MCAT. So please take your discontent to Harvard, since no one here really cares if you like the program or not.</p>
<p>wow i donât know how to quote.
a.) The statement about the w-2s actually has some validity.
b.) That âsecond post where I chose to do nothing but brag about myselfâ was in response to my âlack of affiliationâ with this site. I came across this thread while googling the creative scholars program and chose to flame it. Of course I have an affiliation with the topic, Iâm an undergrad at tulane and plan on going to med school.
c.) Youâre quoting Harvard Admissions. That isnât a specialized program that guarantees acceptance into Harvard Medical School. I donât feel like doing the research, but Iâm sure tons of med schools have the same admissions requirements.
d.) Itâs completely different than the creative scholars program. A music major in the creative scholars program is guaranteed acceptance into tulane med as long as a gpa of 3.6 is maintained (god help that student if he/she canât keep a 3.6 in music). If that music major isnât in the program, then yeah itâs about the same, minus the mcat.
e.) Taking the mcat allows you the freedom to apply to however many med schools you want. The program limits you to attending only tulane med. Oh sure you can still take the mcat and apply to other med schools, but why would you if you have a guaranteed spot. </p>
<p>My main contentions with the program are:
1.) A science major cannot apply.
2.) Circumventing the mcat. Everyone should be on the same playing field.</p>
<p>You know, cambridgedan, as arrogant as you come across about yourself and as dismissive as you are about others and their choices, there really is no discussion to have here. You should really listen to yourself. Just some advice</p>
<p>People that wanted to know about the program now know about it, and debating your discontent with it serves no purpose in any case. Since you are at Tulane, you have every opportunity to make an appointment with the head of admissions at Tulane Med and lay out your case as to why you think it is unwise and/or unfair to have such a program.</p>
<p>FYI to quote you just do
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paste in the quote[/ quote] but without the space between the backslash and the word âquoteâ at the end.</p>
<p>Who cares, really, FC. If he/she is a student (dunno, dont care) perhaps he/she was not accepted into the program and is just having a case of sour grapes. What kind of nonsense is that about discouraging students from taking certain classes? Pure poppycock. Lets move on.</p>
<p>I thought the Harvard quote was interesting. It actually provides pretty high level support for a program like this. But it is certainly true that if someone thinks the program is somehow misguided they should calmly and dispassionately state their opinion, not run people they donât know into the ground and engage in ad hominem debate. They donât deserve a response per se, but since the topic was out there and the Harvard quote was pertinent, I thought it worth posting. Also, he was completely wrong in his original post about not having to take science courses. People might read that and think it is accurate, so it is worth correcting.</p>
<p>Upon finding out he is (presumably) a Tulane student, I also thought it worth pointing out that debating the program on here is fairly useless compared to taking the streetcar to see the Dean of Tulane Med to discuss it, if he feels that passionately about it. I just hope he goes in showing the Dean more respect than he has shown anyone else on here so far.</p>
<p>Unbelievable. Itâs so much easier to dismiss me as some sort of liar because youâd hate to think an arrogant prick is right. My arguments clearly have validity, despite their causticity. Because they have validity, you say this discussion is âover.â </p>
<p>-jym626: no disrespect, but have you not read anything thatâs been said here? You cannot be a science major and be in the program. Iâm majoring in cell and molecular biology (and classical studies) and thus cannot even apply.
-fallenchemist: Thanks. And youâre right. I actually regret not applying for the program before declaring my majors just so I can do the interview and present to the panel themselves my discontent. Iâll hear it from someone who matters at this school someday. Maybe Iâm wrong somewhere. I donât plan on attending tulane med anyway, since lsu med is insanely cheaper.</p>
<p>Tulaneâs program is not all that unusual. There are other such programs including the one a Brown University where there is no MCAT requirement either. From the Brown website:
<p>From what I understand, many courses at Brown may be taken P/F. I also do not see any requirement for knowing what a W2 form is. (S1 had never seen one until after his second year at UChicago, so those Tulane students are in good company.)</p>
<p>cambridgedan - If you cannot get the fact that it is your language, attitude, and overall demeanor that are the reasons the discussion is over, there is little hope there can ever be a discussion. It actually is not unbelievable at all. For the record, for all the reasons I have stated, I donât think your arguments have any validity in the least.</p>
<p>â â â â â -
I am very familiar with the program, and with the new med school early admissions program. Excuse me, but sisnce you are inquiring as to what I read in this thread, did you read what was written here, and notice that I posted here when the thread first started, over a year ago? They do not discourage students from taking classes in the creative scholars-- they just have requirements that must be met in the first 2 years. Your negative spin is your own issue. My s chose a major that also prevented him from pursuing creative scholars. So what? It is all a choice. You can double-major in a non science and qualify- so your classical studies double major (not minor) should qualify you- if you can get all the required courses in that are necessary in your first 2 years. </p>
<p>First you say the program is for slackers who are afraid of the MCAT, and how you say you might have considered the program but for your chosen major. Seems inconsistent to me. Good day to you.</p>
<p>And, FWIW, as surely you know, many who pursue creative scholars do so to have a guarantee med school admission under their belt- kinda like an EA. Many still take the MCATs and apply elsewhere (as you said, TU med school is very expensive).</p>
<p>Sorry, its just not as awful as you present. If its not for you, or as it sounds, you perhaps didnt read the requirements and may have missed the boat-- sorry 'bout that.</p>
<p>No one is GUARANTEED admission into Tulane Med through the creative scholars program. One has to apply and their application considered. And getting in those premed science requirements and the requirements for a non science major (which is what makes it harder, and makes the applicants more well rounded) and getting in TUs core courses and honors classes is no easy feat in the the first 2 years.</p>
<p>Sounds like you didnt look into the early/guaranteed accelerated undergrad-med school admissions programs when you were looking at colleges. There are a lot of them-- and they dont require the MCAT. If you are persuing the web, take a look at Brown, the Rice-Baylor program, U of Miami (FL), UCF/USF, Drexel, Penn State, Case Western and BU, to name a few (these are off the top of my head-- you can ck their sites to see the current requirements as I do not know them). Happy trails.</p>
<p>First of all, you cannot get into it because it is for incoming freshmen. Nonetheless, your answer is interesting since a student accepted into that program before taking a single college course can major in music, history, anything that Brown offers and only take the minimum science courses required for med school. They also donât have to take the MCAT. I donât even see where they need to keep a minimum GPA.</p>
<p>You obviously have done very little research into the connections between the sciences and the arts. Just because I plan on majoring in Music doesnât mean i am a kid who couldnt cut it in the science or MCAT taking departments. I could bet that before I leave high school this year I will have had more medical experience than you will have after your first 2 years of undergraduate. People go about achieving the same goal (being an MD in this case) and that doesnt mean that one way is better or more correct than another.
Also, your facts are wrong! No where on the tulane site or with the heads of the program do they discourage anyone from taking courses like, Parmacology, Embryology, Histology, Developmental Biology, etc.<br>
Not to mention, many medical schools are welcoming in more and more non-science majors because they are able to do something that you canât, realize that people who partake in the fine arts are just as if not more capable of understanding and applying medicine. The fine motor skills of a painter or artist of such nature would surpass that of most biology majors. Would you really rather have someone who majored in bio for their undergrads preform a surgery on you when there is an art major that could perform the same surgery with less risk and more control? </p>
<p>Think about it, there is no need for you to be an ass and bash other people because they would rather learn about something that they have a true passion for in addition to meeting all the requirements to do something that they are just as passionate about. </p>
<p>The medical director for several hospitals in my area (suburb of chicago) was an Asian studies major. He now is an orthopedic surgeon and has written the SOP and the ems protocol for all of my area. Are you saying that since he didnt major in bio or chem he must be incompetent?</p>
<p>LOL, thatâs OK. He makes excellent points and I am sure feels better for having said it. True, there is a 99.99% chance the original â â â â â will never see it, but since this issue comes up from time to time it is a valuable posting.</p>