<p>I really don’t remember, I’m sorry. My entire college application process I was so underprepared and underfocused, I don’t remember much about dates or deadlines or anything except the packets that came and the only one that didn’t. =/</p>
<p>Woah, didn’t realize I wrote Arthur Andersen. Random slip, it’s KPMG to round out the Big 4. o.O my mistake.</p>
<p>How well does Stern cater to the budding entrepreneur in terms of class offerings and support?</p>
<p>hellodocks - I read somewhere that during Stern’s welcome week they administer placement tests/exams. What do they test us on? And is it mandatory?</p>
<p>Pretty well, actually. There’s a number of entrepreneurship challenges (scholarships, mentorships, and grant programs) running throughout the whole year, there are extracurricular societies dedicated to it, and faculty mentors, albeit fewer than for more established disciplines like finance and accounting.</p>
<p>I haven’t had much exposure to it in classes myself yet, and I think it’s something MBA programs tend to focus on far more than undergrad. It isn’t ignored though, almost all of your coursework will require you to be or reflect on being entrepreneurial, so it’s inherently a part of business education.</p>
<p>Audrey, it isn’t mandatory. The placements they offer are in calc and stats. If you got a certain score on your APs, you can either apply the score and get moved from Calc I to a higher class (but not exempt it altogether, everyone at NYU takes calc). For stats, you can apply the credit from the AP and skip the 4-credit stats class and take only the 2-credit regression while everyone else takes the 6-credit stats/regression combo course.</p>
<p>If you didn’t take the APs for whatever reason (weren’t offered, didn’t fit in your HS curriculum, or took and scored poorly), the placements allow you to do the above without an AP exam score if you place well enough.</p>
<p>If you go to the June orientation they definitely offer the math placement, not sure about stats.</p>
<p>Very informative thread, hellodocks. I echo the community praising you for the help describing Stern and answering questions. My son just returned from spring break. This year has been transformational. He is thinking about a career in finance and is looking at a 3.5 GPA for his freshman year. I would like to hear your opinion on best uses of his Summer. He sent some applications but he as a freshman has had a poor response. The other pluses are URM + varsity. He also looked at the JPM program that you cited.</p>
<p>Freshman year you probably won’t be able to get anything substantial that’s relevant experience. No one wants freshmen because they haven’t been exposed to any relevant coursework at all yet, so the best thing to do is look for something paid and semi-relevant (e.g. accounting, insurance, consulting, or economics) or unpaid and a little more relevant (PWM, boutique IBD). Either would be a tough shot, but most freshmen who do nail something anywhere in the nation, regardless of school, get it in PWM.</p>
<p>As a URM he has a huge advantage and I definitely recommend taking advantage of all the diversity recruiting there is. JPM has a program for freshmen, BarCap does as well, and for next year, Morgan, Credit Suisse, Goldman, JPM, Citi, and BarCap all have full-fledged, established summer analyst programs that pull diverse candidates in a year earlier than standard SA programs. That’s what I did.
With the varsity factor he’s also got something huge. The kid is about as set as possible. URM + varsity + >3.5 GPA = absolutely golden. The only thing that’s missing in making him pretty much the ideal candidate guaranteed to get whatever he wants as long as he isn’t a robot who can’t hold a conversation would be some extracurriculars, which since he’s a freshman are quite easy to add at this point. Things you should tell him to look into would be: EHS, IAG, Finance Society, and PDS on the Stern side, and don’t forget the cultural things (absolutely critical in highlighting the URM factor during recruiting) like BAMSA, GQ, or AAP.</p>
<p>Matter of fact, get him/you to PM me his NetID and I’ll email him across Stern, maybe set something up and talk real briefly when I’m back in the city. This is much easier done in a 15-minute conversation than over something typed.</p>
<p>On the subject of EC’s, is it absolutely necessary to join EHS/IAG/Finance Society to demonstrate the requisite ‘interest in finance’ that employers presumably want? I’m playing a varsity sport next year (I think I’ve talked with you about this over PM) and I probably won’t have time to do any clubs, save for maybe one or two that I probably won’t be superinvolved in. Actually, I might quit my sport after the first year, but that’s a different situation to be solved a different time.</p>
<p>And sorry if my asking of deeply personal questions bothers you… I hope it’s not too much of a bad thing? :P</p>
<p>hey hellodocks,</p>
<p>I think i’m going to drop my writing class-- the damage to my GPA is too much -.-</p>
<p>I’m planning on taking summer business courses in NYU, do you have any ideas as to how good the instructors are? Are they part of the faculty or adjunct? I tried searching the instructors on ratemyprofs.com and couldnt find any.</p>
<p>thanks for your help once again!</p>
<p>Hi again, </p>
<p>SO this is kind of a weird question but what is the one thing that students at NYU or specifically Stern complain most about?
and…what is the one thing that you dont really like about NYU? Please be honest because it would help me getting to know the school better from someone who goes there</p>
<p>thanks</p>
<p>@justspice
No, not absolutely necessary to join those per se, but it’s a definite check on your resume in applications. Things they look for: intelligence (GPA + school name+), work ethic (GPA in combination with ECs and work experience), interest in the industry (<em>relevant</em> work experience/strong ECs), and likability (good interests, good skills etc.).</p>
<p>What better way to fill out your resume than joining extra- and co-curricular societies that will teach you more about the industry’s functions, history, culture, and operations? Particularly when everyone else you’re applying against comes from just as strong or stronger schools with better internships they got when they were younger than you, better recommendations, better networking, better grades, better anything. </p>
<p>Were I starting as a frosh all over again, I’d go to as many events as I could during the first semester to get a taste for each club and see what I’m most interested in and narrow my focus a bit. Entering sophomore year I’d run for positions in each I wanted, so that by junior year I pulled down an e-board position that actually signifies something on my resume more than ‘assistant to the publicity committee chairman’. I’d maintain my simple membership in as many as I can (Stern and non-Stern) to demonstrate a breadth of interest, but I’d want at least one solid, solid EC to call my own (president, chairman, etc.).</p>
<p>@relish
If you drop it, your transfer application is incomplete, correct? I don’t know much about the instructors beyond the fact that they are not our tenured or adjunct faculty. With the rare exception, none are on staff during the year, and all normal faculty are either in research or vacation. You wouldn’t find them on RMP because they typically aren’t listed at any university in particular.</p>
<p>I do know that the classes tend to be far smaller than the regular year, so the curve can be even more murderous. 12 kids in an FFM class, only 3 can get an A/A-. Not my idea of fun.</p>
<p>@ilovepink
Number one at NYU is probably the cost, the debt our alumni body collectively has is staggering, largest in the nation. It’s an expensive school, and to make it worse, it’s an incredibly expensive city to live in, so you feel the sting even worse than if you lived out in a rural area with nothing to buy or do.</p>
<p>In Stern, it’s the workload. Everyone hates it. You get **** on constantly. When one class finally looks like it won’t be hell for a week or two, your others are swallowing up all your time, and don’t even mention exam weeks, everything stacks up and no one sleeps at all. Not only is there the simple pressure of learning and performing well based on your knowledge, but the pressure to outperform your peers since you’re all chasing the same thing. </p>
<p>The thing I hate most about this school is the bureaucracy. To them, you are just a number, not even a name. You want help with something (your tuition bill, your aid package, your maintenance requests), you call office after office and get bounced around back and forth. People have little inclination to actually help you, so getting the help or answers you need can be an incredibly tedious process.</p>
<p>u@ hellodocks</p>
<p>yeah haha i’m already feeling the bureaucracy in my attempts at gathering information; but I feel its like that for other massive colleges as well. I actually emailed a NYU counselor about it, and he said that I would have to ‘complete an expository writing course called Writing the Essay if you do not take a writing course prior to enrolling’, which is different from what you mentioned. Either way, i’ll see how it goes but I already withdrew from my writing seminar, no doubt.</p>
<p>whoa, your description sounds rather daunting. I’m taking more general business courses so hopefully the class sizes will be larger. Also, do you have any idea where these instructors are gonna come from? lol thanks!</p>
<p>What’s the difference between the two if you want to study mathematics? They both offer mathematics. Is CIMS just a part of CAS? Is it harder/just as hard/easier to get into CIMS than CAS? Which is better?</p>
<p>thank you very much :)</p>
<p>@relish
Yep, it’s pretty thick everywhere. I realize it isn’t exclusive solely to NYU, but in my first year I definitely felt it was more impersonal than anywhere else could’ve been, probably because it’s always amplified by the bustle and impersonality of the city.</p>
<p>As for WTE, that’s the freshman writing course that’s mandatory. I didn’t know you were allowed to transfer without taking writing as long as you took WTE when you got here, that’s news to me.</p>
<p>Summer instructors come from all over, I haven’t taken summer classes in Stern so I don’t know from first-hand experience, but for my minor they were just a bunch of professors who were either doctoral candidates or just professors looking to add to their teaching resume.</p>
<p>@giatns
CIMS is the name for the grad side of things, they offer M.S. and Ph.D. degrees. Undergrads take courses in the program and the building (Warren Weaver hall), but their degree comes from CAS. CIMS is the number one applied mathematics program in the nation, so it’s incredibly rigorous to get in as a student and even moreso as faculty.</p>
<p>I just got into Stern and realized I don’t really know anything about it. Great thread. How’s career guidance? Internship opportunities, job fair, etc.? Also, can you intern during the school year? I’m sure you’ve addressed these questions before, but I don’t feel like going through 20 pages.</p>
<p>hi docks!
I also got into Stern, and i started going through the majors and minors. I was wondering if you knew any stern finance/actuarial science double majors? I know that accounting/finance is a popular double major because accounting offers job security; does actuarial science as well? thanks!</p>
<p>@lullina
That’s not an attitude that’ll get you far!
I don’t want to reiterate myself when I’ve already discussed all this, so I’ll answer super briefly and if you want more you can read back through.
- Career guidance: It’s not a given, they won’t hold your hand and walk you through it for you, but the opportunities are there and they’re amazing. If you’re willing to go out and make use of them, it’s phenomenal.
- Internship opportunities: unparalleled, year-round. I can’t speak much to other industries, but if you’re looking at finance as a prospective career, the simple location factor does more for you than you’d imagine.
- Job fair: this isn’t common in finance, it is within other industries though. Wasserman will host a number throughout the year, there’s constant access to employers across all fields.
- Yes you can, both for credit and for money.</p>
<p>@sonic
I know actuarial science majors but no one paired with both. There probably are some but I imagine not too many, actuaries are very busy most of the time because they’re always studying for the next exam, your compensation is based on which level of the exam you’ve passed and there is always another level, so a lot of kids try to get past two of the exams while they’re still in school so they can make more money at the start. Combined with finance I imagine it’s incredibly tough.</p>