<p>dmouth11, your profile states that you were born in 1976 and are 34 years old. Is that correct?!!!</p>
<p>Also, I realize that you attend Dartmouth, but D itself and the publicity surrounding Aubart all state that there are very few vets of the US armed forces who are undergrads at Dartmouth. Based on the articles, there would appear to be fewer than a dozen. Do you have any good reason to think this is wrong?</p>
<p>So what if there aren’t many veterans in the undergraduate student body? (Hardly surprising, since there are few “non-traditional” students in general.) Is that relevant to the fact that one of them is apparently a person who is generally neither respected nor liked? One of the coke users is also a person who isn’t widely liked or respected. That certainly cannot be attributed to HIS veteran status.</p>
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<p>I doubt the accuracy of the statement that there are “a lot” of veterans at Dartmouth. I honestly don’t think there are.</p>
<p>“The question is, when is it appropriate to turn someone else in to the authorities for breaking the law? Some of you are responding as if the answer is “always,” or as if this isn’t even a legitimate question to ask. I submit that the answer is not “always” and that it is very much a legitimate question.”</p>
<p>OK, suppose it’s a legitimate question. One easy answer is, when the law-breaking occurs in your home and gets in your way. I don’t want people using illegal drugs in shared space in my home. Anybody who does it is going to get turned in to the cops (the real cops).</p>
<p>I love that the ad on The Dartmouth’s page is for Sober College Rehab…</p>
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<p>Even if it is your sister?</p>
<p>How about your dad?</p>
<p>Or your son?</p>
<p>I haven’t read the entire thread, but I’d like to say that without living in the SAE house or belonging to said fraternity, I think it’s impossible for any of us to make fair judgments about what happened. So much depends on the mores of the organization. For example, when brothers misbehaved in the past–even in criminal fashion–how was that handled by SAE? What protocol was followed? I think that people who bond together in this sort of organization function like an extended family. Would you call the police on your brother-in-law if you caught him doing drugs in the living room? Probably not. Your first option would be to read him the riot act and then try to get him some treatment. However, if the abuse continued over time and the situation degenerated into theft, violence, and the like, then you’d probably call in the authorities. I think it’s reasonable for a frat brother not to expect that a fellow brother would turn him in to the cops, much less do so on a big party weekend when alumni are present and the entire house would be exposed to legal issues of various kinds.</p>
<p>I’m sure none of the house was at all happy with the drug use, but there is a code to how these matters are handled and the guy broke it in the worst way. From a parental point of view, being on the outside, it can seem cut and dried to us–kids were doing drugs, so the right thing to do was call the police. But clearly the SAE brothers view this differently.</p>
<p>Also, as has been pointed out, all the past behavior and attitudes of the guy who called the police play into how this was perceived. Was he truly concerned with the liability of the house and the safety of all his brothers, or was he acting out of spite and vengefulness?</p>
<p>Was anyone on this thread in a frat or sorority anywhere? Doing that to a brother or sister is unthinkable and as Bay says, akin to doing it to your bio family.</p>
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<p>If a close relative of mine was snorting cocaine and got turned in to the cops I’d be very upset and distressed by that. But nearly all my distress would be over the fact that they were using cocaine in the first place rather than they fact that the got caught.</p>
<p>The problem here is not turning in the coke-heads. The problem is that the frat guys were coke heads. If they didn’t do the coke there would be NO ISSUE.</p>
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<p>How would this not be a problem? If you knew a college senior, who had not exhibited signs of being a drug addict, who was a good student, who was about to graduate from a top university and had been admitted to a top law school, how do you not see a problem with him being turned in for doing drugs?</p>
<p>And what do you mean by “coke-heads?” Is someone who has tried cocaine once or twice in a social setting any different to you than a hard-core addict?</p>
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<p>Because people being held responsible for their behavior is not a problem. That’s the way society is supposed to work. The problem is the behavior. And in this case the behavior was a felony. If the kid wanted to ensure that he graduated from school and go to law school he shouldn’t be committing felonies. Felonies are a problem. Catching and punishing felons is not a “problem.” It’s the natural and expected outcome of criminal law.</p>
<p>And by “coke-head” I mean someone who uses cocaine, especially someone so devoted to their cocaine that they use it brazenly in the open even after being warned not to.</p>
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<p>If you caught your D doing coke in your living room, would you turn her in to the police?</p>
<p>I just want to point out again that the only one of the four students charged thus far who was intending to attend law school next fall is NOT charged with using drugs. He is ONLY charged with witness tampering.</p>
<p>And, the news accounts say that Aubart called campus security. Dartmouth doesn’t have an on-campus police force with arrest powers, according to news reports. It is campus security which called in the Hanover cops, according to news reports. </p>
<p>And, finally, GFG, I don’t know where you got the idea that this was a big weekend with alumni present. The call to security was made on May 13, which is not on a weekend. Again, I don’t know why it matters…but if you think it does, it wasn’t a weekend.</p>
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<p>Witness tampering is also a felony. What distinction do you see between the two charges vis-a-vis his intent to attend law school that makes you capitalize ONLY?</p>
<p>This thread shocks me. Was I the only one in college with many people experimenting openly with drugs who were not coke heads and are upstanding citizens today?</p>
<p>My guess is that the student who reported this is a known campus weirdo.</p>
<p>It could be any of our kids!!</p>
<p>Bay, no I would not turn in my kids if I caught them with coke in my house. Or most likely, not anyone else. But they would be warned, and if I caught any of them again, they would no longer be welcome in my house. A student living in a house does not have that alternative. </p>
<p>It isn’t an issue so much whether anyone of us, or another student would have reported the drug users, as was it an over the top reaction of that particular student? I don’t think it was over the top. It was certainly within the parameters of acceptable reaction whether anyone would personally do the same thing, given that the students were warned, that the consequences could have direly affected the student. I doubt that he walked in the house, saw the coke use and immediately called security. Doesn’t feel right to me. I’m sure he warned them and they ignored him. </p>
<p>Redroses, having gone to college during the height of the druggie revolution, I knew many students who used drugs. Pot was a staple. Some of them still use pot, and here in NY, coke is rampant. Still,it’s not legal. Depending on your job, it can cost you dearly if you get caught. However, here in my area, getting caught with a personal use amount of pot carries a max penalty of a fine–like a traffic violation, not a misdemeanor or felony. But for college financial aid, or military service, it can be a death sentence in terms of benefits.</p>
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<p>Reiterating what I wrote previously, this “fact” (that the students were warned) was proffered by Phil Aubart. It is merely an allegation at this point. It may or may not have happened and it may or may not be relevant to anything in this case. Does anyone know if cocaine possession is a strict liability offense in New Hampshire?</p>
<p>Why does this thread have so much interest? Kids do coke at every college, except a few very religious schools. I do not condone it and think it can be very deadly. But the same can be said for alcohol.</p>
<p>So why does this thread have over 10,000 views and over 200 responses? Because it is Dartmouth?</p>
<p>The current stats are 7% in the last year and 2.7% in the last month so yes, there are over nine times the number of students that don’t use to those that used. And much higher compared to regular users.</p>
<p>Of course it’s because it’s Dartmouth. The higher you rise the harder the world wants to see you fall.</p>