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“Far smarter” is quite a claim. Unless you erroneously think SAT score averages measure intelligence versus test taking ability - which can be coached. Also, if Dartmouth had 25,000 undergrads, I doubt it would be able to maintain that higher average.</p>
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Yeah, I’m going to pay a ton more money for a small liberal arts school that is comparatively weak in my major of interest… that’s quite a logical decision.</p>
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<p>In my experience, within IB at least, non-Wharton Penn does not have close to the same business placement as Dartmouth. In my BB analyst class, the one above me and the two below me, every Penn grad was out of Wharton, while there were several out of Dartmouth in each year. It’s not the courses that are so helpful but the quality of grads that Wharton attracts that causes it to be so successful in recruiting. The impression I’ve gotten from non-Wharton grads is that they are completely overshadowed by their Penn breathren in recruiting and interviews. Maybe, the dicrepancy isn’t as great as Penn CAS has improved its student profile in more recent years.</p>
<p>Danas, merely having great students doesn’t make a school great. It adds to the component, but what’s even more critical is to have great faculty, great advisers, great resources, great opportunities, great facilities, and a good overall strength in various courses from science to english to international relations, etc.</p>
<p>Neither Berkeley OR Dartmouth are truly perfect in either of these respects and I would say that the closest to perfect would be HYPS, and even amongst those four, you have a lot of issues and various people who dislike something or another about the school and, therefore, aren’t able to succeed.</p>
<p>Each school has its own merits and a school like Dartmouth OR Berkeley really has no room to be criticizing other schools when it has things it can learn from the other as well. :)</p>
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Recession notwithstanding, of course. Berkeley isn’t a place I’d want to be for graduate studies right now, at least in the humanities. (Bryn Mawr funded more incoming art history, archaeology, and classics students than Berkeley this year, and that’s kind of sad. Those departments aren’t even sure if they’ll <em>have</em> admissions this year. And yes, I’m slightly bitter. ;))</p>
<p>Brown man, I think you know very little about Dartmouth. Dartmouth has huge advantages in business, 1) the most loyal alumni network besides Princeton and 2) the Dplan. Dartmouth is the third most represented school, per capita, at Stanford Business and the 5th at Columbia GSB. The Dplan means you get special Dartmouth only school year internships - Goldman, JP Morgan, UBS, etc all have them. Goldman is also the number one employer for Dartmouth grads.</p>
<p>Dartmouth, Princeton, Wharton and Harvard lead the pack among the Ivies with Yale and Columbia close behind. </p>
<p>[Ivy</a> Leaguers’ Big Edge: Starting Pay - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121746658635199271.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today]Ivy”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121746658635199271.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today)</p>
<p>[Dartmouth:</a> A Good Week for the Unsung Ivy of Financial Connections - Deal Journal - WSJ](<a href=“http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/07/22/dartmouth-a-good-week-for-the-unsung-ivy-of-financial-connections/]Dartmouth:”>http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/07/22/dartmouth-a-good-week-for-the-unsung-ivy-of-financial-connections/)</p>
<p>[2007</a> list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | WallStreetOasis.com](<a href=“http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/2007-list-of-bb-summer-associate-class-by-colleges]2007”>2007 list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | Wall Street Oasis)</p>
<p><a href=“Bankers Ball”>Bankers Ball;
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/235587-consulting-core-schools.html?highlight=consulting+core[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/235587-consulting-core-schools.html?highlight=consulting+core</a></p>
<p>^ It will be interesting to see how this changes with the new economic downturn… It may be that the firms mentioned above aren’t as attractive as they used to be. ;)</p>
<p>There are a lot of unemployed investment bankers now. Their Ivy Degrees don’t mean much at most coffee shops.</p>
<p>^^ The comments in those posted links are hilarious… “well-heeled WASP Spawn”…haha!</p>
<p>^^ agreed.
I was sitting in my local starbucks and the cashier was talking about a Dartmouth graduate and a Wharton graduate had come in asking for jobs that morning. lol.
quite funny.</p>
<p>I think the point is that if you want a top business job Dartmouth excels. I don;t think slipper is advocating finance and consulting, he is just affirming that Dartmouth does well in this area.</p>
<p>My sister graduated from Dartmouth in June, 08. If they had accepted me, I’d be heading to Hanover this fall…but it didn’t happen. I love the place anyhow.<br>
My sister was very happy at Dartmouth, liked the staff and students, and felt she got a top education. She starts her PhD program in math this month at a top-10 ranked math program. Judging from this, I’d say Dartmouth is doing something right. </p>
<p>Wish I were going there in the fall. :(</p>
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<p>Dartmouth is the only undergrad focused school. </p>
<p>Nice try in sticking Duke into the same sentence. It’s no more undergrad focused than schools like Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice, Johns Hopkins, WashU…etc.</p>
<p>^Yeah I feel like if you’re talking exclusively about focus on undergraduates most LACs, and especially the top ones, would probably do best. What with little to no graduate students, one would assume that faculty have no choice in their focus on undergraduates, though my personal experience makes me wonder if some of my professors were focused on anything at all. ;)</p>
<p>Duke is extremely undergraduate focused Sam. The S/F ratios, class sizes and alumni loyalty are close to being on par with Princeton and Dartmouth. Dartmouth is the clear winner in this category though.</p>
<p>I’m somewhat surprised hawkette hasn’t made an appearance to flourish the much-criticized USNWR classroom teaching ranking. I’ll list it in her stead to further the debate. :D</p>
<ol>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>William & Mary</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Miami U (OH)</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>UC Santa Cruz</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Wake Forest</li>
<li>U North Carolina</li>
<li>BYU</li>
<li>WUStL</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Tufts</li>
</ol>
<p>It seems to me quite a few CCers from Duke have a habit of making Duke something it isn’t (science powerhouse, top-2 English program, and now the most undergrad focused…God knows how many claims like these they have made since I wasn’t really trying to track their posts!). According to various websites, its S/F ratio is anywhere between 8:1 and 12:1. That’s good but nothing exceptional (no better than many private Us).</p>
<p>^ It is also more annoying to constantly get the anti-Duke bashing on this board. It amazes me that this usually comes from those with no experience at all with the institution. :eek:</p>
<p>I will admit that my son graduated from there over a year ago. He had a great experience.
Now that we are looking at colleges for my daughter, I am much more open to discussion, good or bad, from those with experience or first hand knowledge about a school.</p>
<p>God knows how many anti-Duke posts that are posted from uninformed consumers. :mad:</p>
<p>I think that teaching list is very accurate. Within “levels” I think it gives relative schools a huge advantage. I.e. Boston College isn’t better than Harvard or Stanford, but as a top 35 school it is better than a place like Wisconsin in terms of grad placement and spending on students.</p>
<p>“God knows how many anti-Duke posts that are posted from uninformed consumers.”</p>
<p>Gee, I wonder why that is?</p>
<p>^ Is there an explanation? I have yet to figure it out. 
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<p>I suggest you read some of the thousands of posts by ring<em>of</em>fire. That might give you some insight.</p>