<p>IBClass,</p>
<p>Duke posts only <em>admitted</em> stats on its website.</p>
<p>I think schools need to stop this marketing game and BS; ADMITTED stats is not “class profile”. Only the ones ENROLLED represent the class! It’s misleading to people when they try to compare (apparently even educated people like you can fall into the trap). Some schols are more honest (posting enrolled stats) than others on this.</p>
<p>“Duke posts only <em>admitted</em> stats on its website.”</p>
<p>One can adjust the ranges to reflect this by subtracting 20 points from both the 25th and 75th percentiles of every SAT section.</p>
<p>interestingguy - You suggested HYPM have other statistics (admit and yield rate) to justify their high SAT scores. Yet Caltech doesn’t. So it can logically be concluded, from your recent argument, that either Caltech cares about the SAT more and is really a caliber below HYPSM, or Caltech is just as good as HYPSM but it is a very unique institution on its own, creating the interesting case of having high SAT, high % admit, and low yield. I believe the second case is true. Either one undermines your initial argument of how Caltech compete with HYPSM in the same group for the general applicant.</p>
<p>I happened upon this because I was disgusted by the USNEWS Rankings and did a google search and wound up here after a link click. With Dartmouth ranked so low and schools like UPENN, UCHICAGO, WASH U, ranked so high… especially Notre Dame. How could you even take USNEWS seriously.</p>
<p>As a graduate of an IVY School, I have a different perspective than you students.</p>
<p>A little about me. I graduated from an IVY School. I have been successful. I am now the managing principal of a consulting firm. </p>
<p>All I have to say is that when I went to school, we used to say “Penn is the doormat of the IVY League”… and “UPENN, PENN STATE… What’s the difference?”. In fact, I remember PENN (Wharton really) from MBA days. And I have to say this. Penn feels like a large public school. So does Cornell. (the two traditional lower Ivy Leagues). </p>
<p>The people are NOT as bright at Penn as they are at Dartmouth or Princeton, etc etc. The things they talk about are not the same. The breadth of knowledge is not the same. That anti-Penn guy who posted is right on the money.</p>
<p>A lot of Penn fan boys and undergrads are quick to defend Penn. But ask any recruiter who has the better candidates. without blinking they would say dartmouth. they are simply better educated. the SAT scores are better, the academic background is better, the language skills are better. Sure some wharton undergrads are pretty bright, but i found them to be one dimensional. Always talking about business. But you have to include Penn OUTSIDE of wharton to get a real sense of the school.</p>
<p>I have been to every IVY league but Brown. I have to say that Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, all had a certain best of the best feel to them. The way the students acted, talked, just their aura. Cornell and UPENN really felt like U-MICH with smarter kids. As recently as 3 years ago, I went around during recruiting season and did my stint as a recruiter, and I have to say that there is a reason Dartmouth grads are paid so much. They are extremely EXTREMELY well rounded. </p>
<p>I don’t understand you kids in here. Either you are living in an alternate reality or you are just too drunk on your own UPENN koolaid to see that you are either being defensive or worse, ignorant of reality.</p>
<p>I don’t give a crap what US News says. They are looking at Research Universities, which is why Dartmouth has trouble in their rankings. When you look at the quality of student and the quality of the education, Dartmouth AND Brown are better than UPENN. </p>
<p>Don’t be fooled by the folks in here kids. If you had your choice, it would have to be between Dartmouth and Brown. Dartmouth for a very firm undergraduate education and Brown to choose your own education. </p>
<p>And I can tell you from first hand knowledge, I don’t know any less than stellar dartmouth grads. I know 2 Penn grads who leave you scratching your head. they are socially awkward and cocky without anything to back it up…and that’s just off the top of my head.</p>
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One could say the same about someone who insists on CAPITALIZING every other WORD. Granted, you probably are shouting given your degree of annoyance, but it’s still rather rude and somewhat childish.</p>
<p>As for the rest, well, you’re entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Pick any two CCers, and you’ll have 5 different opinions. I’d personally choose Penn over Dartmouth (or, for that matter, any of the other Ivies) in a heartbeat for undergrad; others would say the reverse. Isn’t that the lovely thing about colleges? It’d be terribly boring if everyone wanted the same things and aimed for the same schools.</p>
<p>Tewkewl,</p>
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<li><p>Based on your atrocious writing ability and your need to capitalize every tenth word, I highly doubt you graduated from an “IVY.”</p></li>
<li><p>I’m sorry Penn rejected you. I really am. But I think you need to let it go.</p></li>
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<p>Sam Lee, remember that the reason to post SAT and ACT ranges on a college website is to give prospective students some sense of whether they have a reasonable chance of admission. Admitted students’ scores provide that information. Statistics for enrolled students are presumably lower than those for accepted students, resulting in prospective applicants gaining an unrealistic perspective of what it takes to be admitted. I only wish that all colleges chose to use admitted students’ statistics, rather than the “apples and oranges” mix we see today.</p>
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<p>I can think of about 3 million better things a real managing principal of a consulting firm would be doing than posting on collegeconfidential (and if posting on collegeconfidential were thing 3,000,000, then thing 2,999,999 would be coming up with a less high-school-kid sounding user ID than “tewkewl”)</p>
<p>Hey, I did not read the whole thread, I’m sorry If I repeat anything! Of those, my favorite is UPenn (I may be applying there early!). As you said, there’s Wharton, but UPenn is really pretty fantastic in all areas (and so are the others). Idk how your visit was, but I got a great feel from it, so it kinda depends on the day. It does have a big frat scene (im not looking at frats myself) but most of the parties are open, 2/3 of the school is non-frat. As far as West Philly goes… yeah it’s pretty scary, but a short bus ride will take you to easier, cooler areas.</p>
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<p>I just want to let you know that in sheer number of billionaire graduates, the list is as follows:
<p>Do a little research. Research is important. It backs up what you say. Maybe that’s why USNews considers it a big factor… funny how that works out. Anyway, tip of the hat to ilovebagels.</p>
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<p>Interesting…where is this list from?</p>
<p>^ sup, this is from last year:</p>
<p>[In</a> Pictures: Billionaire University - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/02/billionaire-study-harvard-stanford-business-billionaires-colleges-09-wealth_slide_2.html]In”>In Pictures: Billionaire University)</p>
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What horrible places those must be!.. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Yeah but that list includes grad schools. So it isn’t fair at all to put Columbia MBAs and Yale Law grads in the pool. Also you have to take size into account. Columbia, including grad schools, is 24K people. Dartmouth and Brown are 6-7K.</p>
<p>“The dynamics of the baby boom was such that admissions was more competitive in the early 70s than in the mid-70s.”</p>
<p>How so, when the peak year for births in the baby boom was 1957?</p>
<p>Here’s the site for my last post: <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/health/19birth.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/health/19birth.html</a></p>
<p>Heightened numbers of applying applying for admissions to Yale in 1970 may be related to the school starting to admit women as undergraduates in 1969.</p>
<p>The availability of draft deferments for college students in 1970 led to an increased number of males applying to college at that time.</p>
<p>Shout Out to Sam Lee #61 re enrolled vs. admitted test scores.
I’ve been busy on another thread (U of Rochester) trying to make this point.</p>
<p>^I guess you care more about being enrolled than being admitted. Putting the cart before the horse never works.</p>
<p>I like how the simple question UPENN or BROWN or DARTMOUTH turned into an argument over selectivity algorithms and CAltech’s all around problems. hahaha you guys make me laugh all the time. CC’ers ftw!!</p>
<p>Hey OP, why not consider UChicago and Duke? These two compliment UPenn, Brown, and Dartmouth very well.</p>