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Mensa shut up.
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At my school we say "point of order."</p>
<p>i'm surprised you guys make all these fine distinctions...in my mind Dartmouth, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Harvard, and Columbia are all on basically the same level admissions-wise. the differences, if there are any, are negligible. to me, Princeton is not more prestigious than Dartmouth...they are both Ivies, they are the same.</p>
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but i think the differences, if there are any, are negligible. to me, Princeton is not more prestigious than Dartmouth...they are both Ivies, they are the same.
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Right, and they're both colleges too.</p>
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<p>Dartmouth is kinda the school that defies boundries however - you guys are right. They were originally in a football league that played the Big Three (Amhertst, Williams and Wesleyan) but were too good for that league.<</p>
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<p>Yeah, the Pentagonal Conference (Dartmouth, Amherst,
Wesleyam, Williams and Bowdoin) overlapped with the Ivy League probably through the early sixties. There are references to it in student publications as late as the 70's, particularly regarding basketball and track (they had long ceased competing in football.) It also explains why Dartmouth remains a member of the Twelve College Exchange (which is composed mainly of LACs plus UMass) to this day.</p>
<p>Dartmouth guy,</p>
<p>Actually Brown and Dartmouth have some strong similarities. I chose between these two, along with a friend from high school</p>
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<p>what are their similarities? I mean both are Ivy League? Both are old? Both are good schools? Both are private schools? Maybe I'm out of touch, but I think Brown and Dartmouth are at two opposite ends of the Ivy League spectrum.</p>
<p>I was between Penn and Dartmouth - while there are similarities I would never call them similar schools.</p>
<p>Just found this thread and it was an interesting read. </p>
<p>I'd just like to add that mensa has no knowledge base whatsoever in this area. As someone who hasn't even applied to colleges yet, he/she shouldn't be making broad generalizations such as "Princeton a rival of DArtmouth?...please."</p>
<p>Byerley, if you're still out there, I take your point about SCEA being not too different from ED from the institutional viewpoint, but I do think it is different from the 17- year- old perspective--the opportunity to continue the choosing process can go on for another 4 or 5 months, which is a lot at that age, considering that many don't really begin til summer before senior year.</p>
<p>Completely agree that holding a 17 year old to a contract is shabby, and legally unenforceable .</p>
<p>Beatty posted:</p>
<p>"i'm surprised you guys make all these fine distinctions...in my mind Dartmouth, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Harvard, and Columbia are all on basically the same level admissions-wise. the differences, if there are any, are negligible. to me, Princeton is not more prestigious than Dartmouth...they are both Ivies, they are the same"</p>
<p>How is Dartmouth in equity with Princeton in terms of prestige? Mensa is not right all the time, but I have to agree with him here.</p>
<p>Moreoever, I resent Byerly calling the top LACs teenie tinies. Last I checked they were annihilating most ivies at grad placement (<em>points out Williams' almost 100% law school admit rate</em>).</p>
<p>I completely agree - which is why Princeton, for example, virtually HAS to go to either SCEA or open EA next year. The move will double its apps in the high-yield early applicant pool.</p>
<p>Devil May Cry - you chose Duke. Stop posting your two cents that no one wants to read on this forum.</p>
<p>Xanatos, what's your problem?</p>
<p>Stop being a jerk (I won't say what I really want to since parents read these forums) and insulting people for no reason. Stop launching jeremiads into a harmless thread. You seem to take a personal investment into this debate, and it's really quite pathetic.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>What's my problem? I'm sick of people claiming Dartmouth is a second-rate school in some way. Or am I not allowed to feel that way? Dartmouth is every bit as good as Princeton if not better, and the thing that really bothers me is that, after you decided not to attend Dartmouth, which is obviously perfectly within your rights, instead of graciously leaving you stick around here and try to put D down.</p>
<p>YOU ARE BEING RUDE! That is primarily my problem with you. I will not apologize for not believing Dartmouth is akin to Princeton in prestige. Duke is nowhere near Princeton in prestige. I hope that shatters the notion of bias. I also love Dartmouth in every sense of the word. Moreover, you have not presented a rejoinder whatsoever that backs your claim that Dartmouth is tantamount to Princeton academically. If you are talking about socially, then I am 100% behind you. You seem to love your school, and I am happy for you. However, please be an adult and try not to uplift your alma mater by demoting schools of magnificent standard. My quandry with you is primarily rooted in your smug trope and rude comments directed at mensa and myself. Now, I am not the best mannered person on CC, but I know you could have handled this situation a bit better.</p>
<p>I'm done offering "rejoinders," and you know what? You didn't offer any backing to your claims either, so why should I? Are you really that shocked that what you said ticked me off? What if I went on Duke's forum and started saying that School X was unquestionably, unequivocally better?</p>
<p>Fine. I really could care less what you do. But I do care that you are being extremely rude to me. This thread was titled "Dartmouth's greatest rival..." so obviously schools were going to be put in competition with one another. I found this thread altogether harmless and even insightful before you came in spewing negative comments. If you are representative of Dartmouth, then I am glad I chose not to go.</p>
<p>PS: Must I really back up why I believe Princeton is better academically than Dartmouth?To be honest, I feel very awkward even having to bring this to your attention. Just rejoice in the fact that you are attending a top 10 institution with a great, tight-knit community. :) Dartmouth is second rate to nobody.</p>
<p>It is impossible to compare and say why Princeton is better than Dartmouth because it is a relative argument.</p>
<p>While Princeton may have more strengths; it is not stronger in every area. Therefore I find your comments strange and weird.</p>
<p>Yes Princeton is more respected - that can be prooved. However subjective rankings is the place of US News and even they just try to make a list based on criteria that doesn't have much actual tanglible nature pertaining to education.</p>
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<p>Princeton < Dartmouth</p>
<p>I hope that assuages you guys.</p>
<p>By the way, what areas is Dartmouth stronger than Princeton in? Again, I feel wierd myself that I must divulge into this. Moreover, Xanatos made the remark that Dartmouth was better than princeton, yet you see nothing wrong with them because it caters to your school/ideology. Academics are not tangible, so I am not sure how I would prove that. However, Princeton's reputation is garnered from having the best faculty and lessons in this country.</p>
<p>i really dont understand what is beign argued. dartmouth and princeton are relatively equal in academics but when it comes to prestige and a stronger student body, princeton wins hands down. this cant be argued. i am quite sure that the average person in dartmouth mosty likely cant get into princeton but a princeton admit has a very high chance at dartmouth. most kids who got likely letters are kids who get into HYPSM as an average student. DMC is basically telling you that this rep cant be denied and that princeton has a type of respect among the american population that dartmouth doesnt have. though i do believe that their academics are comparatively equal.</p>
<p>I agree with that. But I was wondering, DartmouthGuy....you say that the academics are tantamount, yet you say Dartmouth is better in some areas. How can this be? Do you mean that its programs outweigh some of Pton's programs and vice versa to make it equal? If so, I would very much like to know which ones. We can even bring this thread into another, more neutral forum if you would like to.</p>