<p>Here we go again. Another special court martial of Midn 1/C Kenny Ray Morrison, another football player has commenced. He is charged with indecent assault, indecent acts, and conduct unbecoming an officer.</p>
<p>Another football player --- do you see a pattern here??? :(</p>
<p>Deatils are available at:</p>
<p>Well, I'll bite.</p>
<p>I do see a pattern here- but not the one you are referring to.</p>
<p>Threads that have been started by "greatamerican:" </p>
<pre><code>Women Didn't Belong at Annapolis, Webb Said
Date Rape Drug Found in Female Mid
Ex-academy Instructor Cleared at Hearing
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<p>I am trying to understand exactly where you stand, so please help me. </p>
<p>What I understand is that you are a USNA Graduate, 1980, and no doubt a proud alumni. Congratulations.</p>
<p>I also understand you are a father of a candidate for the class of 2011. Congratulations again.</p>
<p>What I do not understand is your positon on women in the academy- I am getting mixed messages, and I would appreciate clarification so that I do not draw the wrong conclusion.</p>
<p>My hope is that you are supportive of all the Midshipmen- and Midshipwomen-and that you are simply upset at the negative press current behaviors have brought upon the United States Naval Academy.</p>
<p>If I am incorrect, please advise. Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>Ditto Navy2010,</p>
<p>I have a daughter who is a candidate at Army and Navy and I would not want her to see these posts. Not that any of if would change her mind but she has enough on her to think about.
If mine and your suspicions are correct - I certainly hope that GreatAmerican Jr doesn't not have the same views as Dad.
If he does I would hope it would come out in an interview - the bad part about handing out LOA's without interviewing candidates.</p>
<p>For the new folks here, please do not be put off by these articles. Yes, they are disturbing at best, but they are NOT representative of the female experience at USNA. Remember that the news always leads with whatever sordid story they can get their hands on in order to beat the competition in the ratings. Stories about USNA in the Baltimore Sun are almost universally negative in nature.</p>
<p>The Academy is not Shangri-La, unfortunately. Bad things do happen, but at a MUCH lower rate than you'll find anywhere else. The reason this makes the newspaper is because at USNA it's a big deal, whereas at Podunk University it's business as usual, or very nearly so. Cheating scandals are scandals because, unlike most other places, the Academy actually frowns quite severely on cheating.</p>
<p>Your daughters are safer at USNA than at any other civilian college you can name. If all the facts in the story prove true (remember, this is the BS we're talking about here), I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of male Midshipmen will be just as outraged as you are.</p>
<p>Please don't paint a mental picture of life at USNA based upon what you see or hear in the media. You're pallete will be completely off before you even begin painting.</p>
<p>I am not put off by the articles in the media - I am intelligent enough to figure out the picture they are trying to paint. </p>
<p>I am put off by one poster who continually posts references to these articles in an attempt to be provacative. I am not sure of his agenda, but I have not heard anything from him that indicates that he agrees that women should be at the academies, in the military and so forth.</p>
<p>If he is of the opinion that these stories are "shocking" or "off the mark" I have not heard him declare that. </p>
<p>I question his agenda. That is all.</p>
<p>This is a forum for candidates to come and get information and help with the process. Young women are making the same decisions as young men in dedicating their lives - for the next several years any way - to service to our country in the military. They shouldn't have to come here looking for help and be subjected to post after post questioning their desired vocation. "Don't give me that crap about if they can't take it here then they can't take it at the academy". No one here is creating a hostile environment for young men - in fact they are quite revered.</p>
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I am put off by one poster who continually posts references to these articles in an attempt to be provacative.
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<p>Oh, madam! You've missed some real doozies! GA is a amateur by comparison! :D</p>
<p>I posted what I did because we did, in fact, have one poster a while back ask the question of whether they should be concerned for their daughter's safety (a perfectly rational question coming from a parent). With the seeming regularity that these stories have begun appearing here, I just wanted to help settle some potential fears ahead of the curve. The parents and candidates have enought to worry about without adding false alarmism to the mix.</p>
<p>ETA: </p>
<p>You know, I just don't get it. :confused:</p>
<p>I wouldn't know where to get a "date rape drug" if I wanted one, or even what to ask for when looking for a "date rape drug". I wouldn't want to have relations with any woman who was so stoned on a drug as to not know what's going on. I would never feel the need to resort to drugging a woman to have sex with her (I recognize I'm no Brad Pitt, but sheesh!). </p>
<p>Maybe I'm just too old or too out of the mainstream or something. I just don't get it. :confused:</p>
<p>Zaphod:
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Your daughters are safer at USNA than at any other civilian college you can name.
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<p>I agree with the possible exception of Brigham Young University or Bob Jones University.</p>
<p>I'll place USNA up against either. The only real competition is another SA, and to me they are all equal in this regard.</p>
<p>navy2010:
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What I do not understand is your positon on women in the academy
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<p>queenbee:
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I certainly hope that GreatAmerican Jr doesn't not have the same views as Dad.
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<p>Either you women are hyper sensitive or Ive hit a raw nerve or possibly both. You are jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. Using your logic, men do not belong at the Naval Academy because they were also involved in my postings.</p>
<p>Women have been at the service academies for 30 years. Congress declared their social-engineering experiment a success back in 1976. Women are a part of the academies, regardless of what anyones personal opinion may be. For those who are waiting for Congress to come to their senses Get over it!</p>
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Women Didn't Belong at Annapolis, Webb Said
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<p>The above quote is a sub-headline from the Washington Compost. Jim Webb never said that women dont belong at Annapolis. His article argued that women do not belong in combat. Jim Webb was a Literature Professor at the Naval Academy when his article was published in the Washingtonian magazine. RAMD Lawrence (USNA 51) was Supe at the time and his daughter Wendy Lawrence (USNA 81) was a plebe. There were no repercussions at the time. The Supes response was:Hes a marine, what do you expect? End of story.</p>
<p>I am not defending Jim Webb; however facts are facts. Jim Webb used to be an honorable man before he started hanging around with his Hollyweird friends. He has already run afoul of Nancy Reagan and will probably suffer a backlash. For details see:</p>
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Date Rape Drug Found in Female Mid
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<p>This is another case of a moron football player who thinks he is immune from playing by the rules. With that said, I predict that this case will end up being the third strike in the Supes campaign against sexual improprieties at the academy for the following reasons:</p>
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<li> If the academy had a solid case, they would be trying Midn 1/C Kenny Ray Morrison by a General Court Martial NOT a Special Court Martial. The academy has probably chosen the Special Court Martial route because they dont have sufficient evidence to get a conviction under a General Court Martial.</li>
<li> We dont have a justice system in our country we have a legal system.</li>
<li> The prosecutors in this case are Navy JAG officers not the sharpest knives in the drawer.</li>
<li> Midn 1/C Ray will probably hire a high-profile civilian attorney who will decimate the JAG officers. Déjà vu the Lamar Owens case.</li>
<li> Rape cases are difficult to prove.</li>
<li> There was alcohol involved in this case. Another he said, she said, case. Consensual sex vs. rape.</li>
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<p>Any female candidate interested in the Naval Academy or any other college for that matter should read the following commentary on the Lamar Owens case:</p>
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Ex-academy Instructor Cleared at Hearing
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<p>Im not going to comment of this article. It has already been beaten to death.</p>
<p>Uhboy..........</p>
<p>I'm outta here.</p>
<p>you must have something against football players. at usma, they normally don't get back from practice until 8 or 830, way too tired to do homework, but still have to manage to get their huge workload completed, all along they perform the majority of duties expected of a normal cadet. i'm sure it is a similar case for midshipman football players. so, there have been 2 possible rape cases involving football players and you say football players don't like to play by the rules. Are those the only 2 sexual assault cases that have occured at the Naval Academy? No. so, there is no pattern. in fact, the majority of sexual assault cases have been non-football players, so i would have to say i see a pattern of non-football players comitting sexual assault. i don't know how a football player survives at a SA, but they definitely deserve respect for doing what they are doing.</p>
<p>"I want an officer for a secret and dangerous mission. I want a West Point football player."
- Gen. George Marshall</p>
<p>It's past time to give this thread a rest. There is absolutely nothing in this thread that is going to benefit candidates, their families or friends. It only serves to get a rise out of various individuals.</p>
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It's past time to give this thread a rest. There is absolutely nothing in this thread that is going to benefit candidates, their families or friends. It only serves to get a rise out of various individuals.
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<p>Sorry to do this to you USNA1985....as I agree with you 100%....but I am still trying to get an answer from GreatAmerican, despite Z's attempt to bump every thread forward from the great beyond!!! ;)</p>
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Uhboy..........</p>
<p>I'm outta here.
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Z....better duck buddy....incoming! </p>
<p>So to address GreatAmerican:</p>
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You are jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.
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<p>No, not at all. You asked if anyone had noticed a pattern- and I had. Not the one you intended, however. The rest was clearly and logically stated. </p>
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Either you women are hypersensitive or I’ve hit a raw nerve or possibly both.
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<p>Neither, so please don't jump to any conclusions of your own. Ask me a direct question and I will give you a direct answer. You said "pattern" and I said "yes."</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, have yet to answer my question, which is your perogative. However, you have evaded the "question" with yet more links.</p>
<p>To which I will respond. </p>
<p>Forget about Webb. Forget about Congress. What I want to know is where YOU stand on the issue so that I may draw a CORRECT conclusion. </p>
<p>The question is simple, and I will pose it to you again:<br>
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What I do not understand is your positon on women in the academy…
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<p>Yea or Nay will do.</p>
<p>GA- thankyou.</p>
<p>Thread closed- signing out.</p>
<p>You're welcome! ;)</p>