<p>wth. cc forum is being hacked</p>
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True that.</p>
<p>And another dating 101 lesson: if the girl is calling to plan, say you're busy that day and then reschedule.
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<p>you missed one ;-)</p>
<p>"what power? i dont think i would care who had the "power" if i really liked her."</p>
<p>Dude you have so much to learn. Don't be a doormat. Girls like strong guys.</p>
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haha obsession, you'd probably use the false time constraint too, huh. i love having friends who actually read about the best ways to pick up girls
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<p>Lmao please, you act like that stuff is a secret. It's been done again and again on like every talk show on TV. Most girls I know could tell you a bit about it too. </p>
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lethargytm you never use a line like that on a girl. you just gave her the power.
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<p>See what I mean? ^</p>
<p>And false time constraints are lame. Chances are I'm gonna be with friends, so what do I need an excuse for? IMO it just makes you look like you feel the need to explain yourself.</p>
<p>Yeah, holding the power or at least keeping it even is a huge deal early on. I NEVER pay for her or complement her appearance unless she initiates. But basically I'll just stay away from both of those early on in a relationship.</p>
<p>Russell7 is a smart man. But you'll pay later on? If you foot 100% of the bill later on you're worse off man.</p>
<p>And yes the power is very important. And you think women are innocent creatures? They know this too. The one who holds the power gets more out of the relationship. That's the one who is doted on , chased and gets more than he gives (in every way). That's why women want the power but you want it also.</p>
<p>Also never ask out women. Never say " wanna go out to dinner" It makes a man look desperate. Say something like "I am going to be having dinner at whatever place. woulds you care in joining me?" Makes you look busy, powerful and able to egt any other girl. The one advantage of having older cousins is the knowledge.</p>
<p>Okay I think the guys are freaking out about paying for everything.</p>
<p>Yes, I believe that the guys should always pay for the first date. Maybe even the second date, or third. But after the third date the girl usually decides whether she wants to continue dating the guy or be an item. After the second or third date or so I offer to pay for my own movie or for the guy.</p>
<p>As for women using guys for free movies or free dinners (which seems to be the concern here) that is highly unlikely.</p>
<p>collegebond, I meant I will only pay for a date if she pays for half of them, but that I'd rather us pay for ourselves every time at the beginning. I'd never pay for a chick all of the time. Screw that.</p>
<p>catsushi, are you kidding me? The girl gets to decide after the 3rd date? You think that I, or pretty much every other guy that's dated women before hasn't -decided- not to have a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. date with a chick? Bottom line is that everything should be equal. I'll accept that guys have to do the asking, but don't act like you're some goddess that we have to pay for because you get asked out. That only happens because that's the system.</p>
<p>A guy should only pay for the first date if he asked (but here in nyc dinner and a movie would run $140 so maybe that rule should be abolished). But then again in my opinion a first date should be coffee or something at Applebee's. Under $15.</p>
<p>And if you don't think women (and men ) don't use others for free meals you need to go into google and type in dinner whore. Its very common.</p>
<p>How much does the average girl or guy spend on dating in college?</p>
<p>collegebond they guy shouldn't have to pay for the first date. Some of you guys are acting like the woman is somehow doing the guy a favour by saying "yes" and that the favour should be rewarded with a free date. That isn't the case. Men ask because women are too intimidated to. If anything, the guy is doing the GIRL a favour by doing all of the work for them. If you don't like the guy, don't do him any favours and just say no.</p>
<p>@Russell: Well in that case I'd never go out with you, and you wouldn't go out with me. Kapeesh.</p>
<p>Different guys and girls have their own ways of interpreting what's a date. I was just sharing my definition.</p>
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I'll accept that guys have to do the asking, but don't act like you're some goddess that we drool over because you get asked out. That only happens because that's the system.
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<p>No, only man whores drool over girls. I'm saying a guy needs to respect the woman he goes out and prove that he isn't a little middle school boy.</p>
<p>And Russell7, I don't quite follow your reasoning. What is the point of bringing up the fact that you have decided to not go with a girl on a second or third or fourth date at one point?</p>
<p>How much does the average girl or guy spend on dating in college?</p>
<p>I think Russell7 has been following Easy's system.</p>
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Men ask because women are too intimidated to. If anything, the guy is doing the GIRL a favour by doing all of the work for them. If you don't like the guy, don't do him any favours and just say no.
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<p>Whoaaa so not true. It is way more likely that a guy is afraid of being rejected by a woman that a woman by a guy. I let the guys come to me. If they're worth my time, they'll ask me out. Very effective. If the guy is clueless and needs a nudge (which has never been the case) then I would be happy to take the first step.</p>
<p>PS: I don't know about dinners in NY, but dinners on the West Coast at a local burger joint are definitely not that expensive, so for me dinner for a first date is not a bad option.</p>
<p>*I'm saying a guy needs to respect the woman he goes out and prove that he isn't a little middle school boy.</p>
<p>And Russell7, I don't quite follow your reasoning. What is the point of bringing up the fact that you have decided to not go with a girl on a second or third or fourth date at one point?*</p>
<p>Yeah, and what I'm saying is that a women needs to respect the guy that she goes out with and prove that she isn't some self-entitled whore pretending that she's living in the 1950s.</p>
<p>And I brought that up because you were acting like women are the only one's who decide to quit dating. Although I could've interpreted your post wrong.</p>
<p>Whoaaa so not true. It is way more likely that a guy is afraid of being rejected by a woman that a woman by a guy. I let the guys come to me. If they're worth my time, they'll ask me out. Very effective. If the guy is clueless and needs a nudge (which has never been the case) then I would be happy to take the first step.</p>
<p>Wrong. Most women are terrified of asking out men. The reason that the system evolved the way it did (despite 51% of the population being women) is because men assumed the dominant position that most women couldn't do.</p>
<p>"It is way more likely that a guy is afraid of being rejected by a woman that a woman by a guy."</p>
<p>By that logic women should be asking guys out more than vice versa. It is a favor. He's more scared than you yet he needs to make the first move. Russell7 is right in this case.</p>
<p>Women are more scared than men in America. The vice versa holds true for Germany where believe it or not women do 99% of the approaching.</p>
<p>I still disagree. From my experience, if I always make the first move and ask the guy on the date, then he will never make the effort to keep the relationship going. </p>
<p>It makes sense if you look in terms of survival tactics. People value things more if they work for them. People are made to want what's difficult to get, because otherwise they would not have any motivation to survive.</p>
<p>saying that men are more afraid of being rejected by a women than vice-versa is quivalent to saying pigs can fly and that Easy is a decent CC poster.</p>
<p>MightyNick don't diss Easy. I am pretty sure with his attitude he is the reincarnation of Eazy E. </p>
<p>How much does the average girl or guy spend on dates and gifts for their partner in college?</p>
<p>is it guy:400
girl: $.400</p>
<p>But seriously could someone answer the question?</p>
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"its a good thing i have a bad memory because whenever i see you i am reminded of how beautiful you are."
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<p>okay, lethargy, that's totally a line. i'd laugh in your face. i HAVE laughed in guys' faces because they fed me BS like that. :) but genuinely telling someone you've thought about kissing them before is just kind of an earnest admission.</p>
<p>also, if you ask someone out on a date, why wouldn't you pay for it, regardless of your sex, gender, or sexual orientation? it's just polite. if a guy asked me out and didn't pay for my dinner, i'd get the impression that it wasn't actually a date after all.</p>