<p>alright fammom
let’s hear about nakedmole lab prior to your money counting/making path, cm’on now, spit it out!</p>
<p>Great story Famm! When my daughter was talking about being a trauma nurse (after watching too many 911 shows and not realizing art could be a job and thought Dad would have liked her to be int he medical field), people looked at her like she was crazy because she was so into her art. On the other hand, she is VERY into science, collecting skulls, bones, watches Discovery channel non-stop. I have a degree in special education, one in Biology and a master’s in Coastal Planning, and have been doing GIS for 15 years (since grad school). Have taught school & done car dealership accounting too. So whose to say what’s right for one kid? You just support them as best as you can.</p>
<p>In our case, kid wanted to drop her calculus class in order to have time for Cooper home test and RISD drawings and general art school shtick. She certainly didn’t need the calculus class to go to art school. But principal droned on and on about how they were a college prep school and calculus was a “year long” course and they coudn’t let her drop it. We appealed to the head of the math department and eventually they saw the light and let her drop the calculus. But they are still over there shaking their heads that she’s going to art school, lol.
This school has only one art teacher, fossilized sister Janet, who is celebrating her 50th anniversary as a nun this year. Her philosophy about art class is to give an assignment and to grade it. She offers no formal instruction or critique during the process and will not consider changing a grade once she gives it. The kids work exclusively in oil paint. Very, very old school. As a consequence, I took it upon myself to broaden kids artistic horizons and put her into other art classes after school and on weekends. I still believe the botanical art class we took together is what really honed her drawing skills. But she is slightly handicapped because most of her work is very realistic…which is what she needed to do to get good grades in her art class.
When we attended the last MICA open house they had a slide show on of portfolio work from their accepted students. My husband and I commented on how much of the work was so very similar in style… and so different from what our kid does…and we decided it must be because of the public school/AP art class system. I would encourage hs art students to move beyond the class room as much as possible and seek out a great variety of instructors and mediums.</p>
<p>Its obviously clear that many high schools are extremely deficient in handling students who want to be “artists”. They don’t have the infastructure, nor usually the desire, to do anything except set kids up for acceptance into the most prestegious schools in the land, so that they can better brag about their “success rate”</p>
<p>We are a conformist society. Artists don’t conform to the norm, therefor we get looked at as “underacheivers” and otherwise. In HS, I was basically told art was for students who didn’t want to “challenge” themselves.</p>
<p>Thank god my family (mom and dad. I am an only child) gave me the latitude to go out there and try my hand as a filmmaker. They saw I succeeded, so they support me</p>
<p>My gf’s family (I use the term gf to really mean been living together almost 3 years, dating for 4) is also very supportive. There oldest son got his degree from Mass Art in Illustration and is now a video game designer. The second oldest daughter is a writer, and my gf (the youngest) is an Art history major. So thats 3 for 3 in the “art” world.</p>
<p>I feel bad for the kids who don’t have the support of their families</p>
<p>Wait bacon, didn’t you say in somewhere your mom looked at you funny when asked if she should help you after 18?
you mean only bottomless mental support, not financial support?
Should I do that now my kid is 18?</p>
<p>Last night my D’s HS had their scholarship night, and since she had 3, she was invited to attend. She was the only student there who had a scholarship to an art school. When all the other scholarships were named, they just said the name of the scholarship and the kid who got it, but when they got to her, they made special mention of her going to an art school and that she was one of the best artists in the school. When they mentioned the amounts, there were gasps from the audience. I think people were surprised that art schools were actually a viable option. Nice to finally get some recognition that its not only the football kids and the straight A students that get scholarships. </p>
<p>Gluten: We also had the math class issue at the beginning of the year. They gave her pre-calc, and we went to Guidance to change that. She knew a math class would negatively affect her GPA. G was concerned about her being well prepared for college math. We told them that the liberal arts in the art colleges were choices between math or science and D would pick science every time. G wouldn’t change it until we promised we’d check out the art schools to see how much math their incoming freshman needed to succeed in the “college math classes”.</p>
<p>It’s always funny to me how people undervalue an “art education” and yet value and /or spend so much to buy the products! The first thing they do when they make “real Money” is start "collecting” what’s up with that?</p>
<p>I have been, despite my art degree :-), in a position to make hiring decisions for many many years. I can tell you that there are ENORMOUS numbers of LAC graduates with useless degrees that don’t get them many looks. That aside, how you get in the door for a job is one thing, staying there is quite another. I know- and business schools? I have fired more newly minted MBA’s than I care to admit–many do great power points and have no common sense, can’t move forward…and please, no more strategy meetings </p>
<p>The kinds of “soft skills" that are almost always valued are: </p>
<p>-Resourcefulness–most staff level people are hired to make things “go away” for their boss. The better able you are to be self reliant and resourceful, the more value you add.
-Creative thinking- how can you find new ways to solve old problems
-know how to “take a note”- most of what you will have to offer in your career, long term will, have been learned on the job–not in school.
-it helps to be able to write well. I don’t care what you do, hone this ability
-under promise and over deliver</p>
<p>Many art students will excel in these areas owing to their skill at looking at things with new, creative viewpoints, experience accepting criticism, and working independently. The egos will likely need to be tamed a bit but that’s frequently true for newbies regardless of their training. After you get in, it matters less where you came from academically, then where you get to. If you develop these skills along with your artistic abilities, you’ll find a job…and keep it.</p>
<p>what do you do for living?
you never had an art school student intern/ grad who asked which state is DC belong, so to look up zipcode or can’t figure out how much petty cash money to buy bag of cookies and several cup o’ joe’s?
" like, can you give me another 20, I think I’ll need that"</p>
<p>Suffice it to say that a big part of my job is global talent acquisition. Although I’ve had incompetent people across the spectrum of academic backgrounds, training and dysfunctions working in my groups over the years, I tend not to hire people who don’t know how to make change, or find states. But that deficiency is not a function of their being an art students, interns or grads. I have to wonder why they didn’t somehow figure this out before art school…as in their elementary school, high school or dare I say it- home, where a lot of these “skills” are normally developed. Who precisley failed them? I have a sister who is head of HR for a large hospital system, and who complains about interviewing otherwise accomplished Doctors/ Physicians/ Psychiatrists who say “aks” instead of “ask”… so there are all manner of deficient people out there in paying jobs, and the vast majorityof them didn’t go to art school</p>
<p>I still don’t get what you do… what you make, sell, deal with but where I am (make stuffed toys) or where I used to be (theater-sort) people are supposed to be artsy and creative (magic word!) so if the kid who don’t know states are say, from MIT or something and the kid who can’t tell how much working class’ cup of coffee usually coast times 5 or 6 was from Stanford or something, it become “cute” then if the kid is from nowhere uni or that and this art school, they’d go Ahh, See that? nod and winks.
My point is there are those people just don’t get it who usually have higher caliber posts and they are here to stay.
Don’t make big deal out of it and like I said, prove them wrong and keep the job or relax and find better people to work / live with</p>
<p>I don worry about Christies or unknown telephone bidder but dead patron saint of art.
at least some (like how much though?) of the money is going to some library.</p>
<p>NEW YORK, NY (AP).- A 1932 Pablo Picasso painting of his mistress has sold for $106.5 million, a world record price for any work of art at auction.
“Nude, Green Leaves and Bust,” which had a pre-sale estimate of between $70 million and $90 million, was sold at Christie’s auction house on Tuesday evening to an unidentified telephone bidder. </p>
<p>There were nine minutes of bidding involving eight clients in the sale room and on the phone, Christie’s said. At $88 million, two bidders remained. The final bid was $95 million, but the buyer’s premium took the sale price to $106.5 million.
Conor Jordan, head of impressionist and modern art for Christie’s New York, said he was “ecstatic with the results.”
“Tonight’s spectacular results showed the great confidence in the marketplace and the enthusiasm with which it welcomes top quality works,” he said. </p>
<p>The striking work of Picasso’s muse and mistress Marie-Therese Walter has been exhibited in the United States only once, in 1961 in Los Angeles to commemorate the 80th anniversary of Picasso’s birth. The painting, which measures more than 5 feet by 4 feet, shows a reclining nude figure with an image of Picasso in the background looking over her. </p>
<p>The painting had belonged to the late California art patron Frances Lasker Brody, who bought it in the 1950s. It had been kept in her family since then. </p>
<p>Part of the sale proceeds will benefit the Huntington Library, Art Collections and Botanical Gardens in San Marino, Calif., where Brody was on the board.</p>
<p>there is this fancy gallery on 57th showing my fav Catalan artist ( still living but almost gone-sh) his small print sells for 4K that I really liked.
I was thinking, I could pay for that now that is about same as one year CUNY or commuter SUNY with fanaid which I don’t need to worry anymore.
Once he is gone, though he is not well- well known here, this one /40sh piece would become somewhat valuable all the while I can look at it and love my life while I eat my cereal or bowl of macaroni. I will sell it maybe 40 years from now, so I could bury myself and not have to trouble anyone else.
I could become “collector” in this sense. If I had disposable sizable income why not?</p>
<p>I do not and got out, walked few blocks to check on FAO Shwarz where my real life and business are confined in.
Nothing wrong with buying stuff you want and can afford, wrong to ill wish others so my collection would fetch some big bucks ( as all gallerist and auction houses, investment folks, grandma grandpa art patron saints’ relatives supposedly do?) no no no I lather want to see more of his works.</p>
<p>“I appreciate your concern, but I’m pleased with the way we’re handling things”…</p>
<p>is what someone taught me to say…twenty years ago when I was pregnant with my D. and i STILL remember it.</p>
<p>It works only if the kid had turned out OK
" shoulda listened and gotten math tutor when 2nd grade"
" shoulda listened and bought that coop now like, ten times o’ value"
" shoulda signed up for that music school when it was free"
" shoulda listened and stopped him do trick skate then he’d had front teeth"
" shoulda listened and fed only organic milk so there no boy’s breasts to get teased on"
list goes on and on and on…
how 's your life in general?</p>
<p>I’ve said things like “at least he is passionate about something, how many 16,17,18 year olds can say that”</p>
<p>Ive also said I know plenty of science majors who are out of work…</p>
<p>Ive also said making art is brave…</p>
<p>One of my current responses: “Oh, it’s important to [daughter] that she pursue a livelihood congruent with her religious beliefs. I can’t imagine demanding that she disregard something so vital and meaningful to her. Can you?” </p>
<p>It’s very effective, since to disagree, the person has to go negative about her religious commitment. :-)</p>
<p>^ like, everything good is blessing and everything bad is never your own fault?
that explains everything… sorta, and I do disagree but won’t ever tell any kid, even yours</p>
<p>Got to agree with BandD…lots of snappy answers now but think of what you will say if artist child today is a bum in 20 years…in Buenos Aires a few years ago we had a starving artist approach us to sell really crappy paintings and then, when we were not interested, pulled out a picture of his three sons needing support…H felt bad and bought a lousy painting…as we left, painting in hand, my daughter and son had to hold each other up laughing so hard…they let us know that the picture of the three boys were the Jonas Brothers. So perhaps son can work on becoming a con artist or at least good liar in case the art thing doesn’t pan out…I do shudder to think what the mom of the argentine “artist” said to the doubters when son decided to take up the brush and palette at 17…hopefully nothing about religious commitment.</p>
<p>DON’T !! fammom
I lived with one and raising one that have half that gene. I admire and cringe at once knowing when he does fabulous interviews to get whatever he wants ( I could see his gear greased and spinning so fast so nicely why oh why he doesn’t use this system for, you know, school work?) … then forever fails to deliver.
though I like that your kids let you fall for the trick so the guy could made some money, or they didn’t see the photo before your H opened his wallet?</p>
<p>When Jonas’ first came out -6 or so years ago? I did scratch my head what their dad (the mastermind!!! ) were thinking… they are just boring average Jersey kids, 'cus to the dad, they are the diamond pea pod, and he was right, thanks to the Disney channel’s stupid kiddie show.
I am sure neighbors and school folks have warned and laughed at them, but see what happened.
Sometimes, you never know. I am betting on famkid, you will remember me, won’t you?</p>
<p>I looked up, Trin was right…</p>
<p>2005-2006
Nick was soon jointly signed to INO Records and Columbia Records and released the single “Dear God”. A second single, a new solo recording of “Joy to the World (A Christmas Prayer)”, was released on November 16</p>