Decisions on the 15th

<p>EST+8. Can someone calculate the right time for me? I am so tired!</p>

<p>Decision (tomorrow) at 8 PM :) Good luck!</p>

<p>There was a guy who I was discussing college admissions with, and he just wouldn't accept that MIT doesn't "Accept Everyone". </p>

<p>Me: "The acceptance rate is about 12%. It's very hard to get into. Yes, I know the name sounds like ITT tech, but that doesn't really matter"</p>

<p>Him: "It's a technical school. I read that technical schools accept everyone no matter what"</p>

<p>That's 1 am on March 16</p>

<p>@Gukki5...My SAT I was 2050 "bad" with a 640 on the writing bad...Its par for the course at other places but this is MIT we're talking about so yeah I'm screwed...And besides I'm from India...Might as well write my own rejection letter :P :D.... Think I'll start with how awesome I am ...then teh rejection part...then more on how awesome I am...That way I will have some hope for my other apps!!</p>

<p>At the never heard of MIT comment...Similar story...Applied Caltech EA...half the people I know go..."Oh is it famous? Havent heard about it? You must be applying as a safety school eh??"</p>

<p>and I say: "ermm...Yeah...Sure...Safety heh"...</p>

<p>ya... most of the people i know don't really understand how prestigious these schools are. like MIT and Stanford. it would make me pretty angry on the inside except that a few years ago i didn't understand either...
even my parents are like 'oh kayla you'll get into MIT you're smart" and i''m like "everyone who applies is smart. smarter than me"
aghhhh.</p>

<p>Yeah you have a point there you know...Although at the same time you shouldnt forget that EVERYONE who gets into MIT isnt better than EVERYONE who doesnt...It just means that on paper...on MIT's paper...someone was a better fit...People get so deflated when they get one rejection...Thats why I think all the college should release the decisions at one day date time you know...I guarantee you the people who dont get in here who get in Yale Princeton Stanford Caltech yadayadayada will have no self belief from now till the 31st...</p>

<p>You know I have something for you guys to answer while we're waiting ...
1. We all know the people who GET IN to MIT have a lot about them...Lot of Geniuses there
2. We all know that the applicant pool is self selecting. So its not that the quality of students is not just high in the admitted guys but in the applicant pool too...</p>

<p>So my question is: out of the 15K odd students I guess who apply to MIT...How large a chunck do you think are guys who wouldnt stand a chance in hell of getting into college anywhere forget MIT? Say a 1600 no EC bad essay no hook guy...to stereotype it...How many of those do you think are there?</p>

<p>AND...How many "sure ins" do you think there are to MIT? (this interests me more)...My belief is that there isnt anyone who applies here who has EVERYTHING that they want...you?</p>

<p>No sure admits. Absolutely none.</p>

<p>Lol, to the never-heard-of-MIT stories:</p>

<p>The lead in our school play (I deal with microphones) asked me yesterday where I wanted to go to college, and I said MIT, and he was like "Oh, is that the one I always see commercials for on TV?" and I was like "...no."</p>

<p>It's like how no one has ever heard of UChicago. When I got in everyone thought it was odd that I was so excited, since they thought it was just some state school/my safety.</p>

<p>UChicago??! Whats that? Whats the U stand for?? or better yet...
You: "UChicago"
Some guy: "You!! Stop calling me names!!"</p>

<p>Anyway it is quite sad...If I end up in Cornell/Columbia/Carnegie Mellon...I dont think I will even tell any one...No point...Comical though...People will hear those names over here and most likely think I'm dilusional and talking gibberish and making strange noises...</p>

<p>haha I just showed my friend that story la montagne and we had a good laugh (while we are supposed to be doing exercises for ap comp sci.. haha yea right!)</p>

<p>Oh, the same thing always happens to me. Almost everyone at my school knows that I am applying to US colleges, whereas everyone else is intending for Japanese schools. And they, including school director who wrote me a really good recommendation, keep asking me about not-yet decisions. The worst thing is, one of our HS graduate could get into MIT. So they always compare me with him, and always tell me I also could get into MIT. They really do have no idea what the **** MIT is, and how the **** it is so hard to get into schools like MIT. </p>

<p>OMG!</p>

<p>Does anyone share same problem?</p>

<p>Ahhhh 24 hours left, here are a few stories to kill some time:</p>

<p>X: "So, where have you applied to?"
Me: "MIT"
X: "Hmm, Minnesota?"
Me: "No!"
X: "Michigan?"
Me: "NO!!!"
X: "Mississippi???"
Me: "No, no, no...MASSACHUSETTS"
X: "Oh...right, I forgot about that one, it's too small to remember"</p>

<p>Y: "I've never heard of MIT"
Me: "It's the Massachusetts Institute of Technology"
Y: "Oh, i didn't know there was an institute of technology in Mass."
Me: "Well there is, it's one of the best, if not THE best in the world"
Y: "I see, you'll make it, nerdy schools accept girls in a heartbeat"</p>

<p>Of course, like many of you, I've got my family and friends telling me I'll easily get in, yada yada yada, and even though at times I appreciate that they're being so supportive, at others, I just wish they'd face the facts that I constantly throw at them and realize how really tough it is to get in.</p>

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You know I have something for you guys to answer while we're waiting ...
1. We all know the people who GET IN to MIT have a lot about them...Lot of Geniuses there

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<p>Genius is, by Mensa definition, an IQ greater than 130. If we do a straight percentile conversion, that's a 1450/2140 on the SATs. </p>

<p>If we just look at the Math, which probably has the highest correlation with general intelligence, than a score of roughly 700 corresponds to the technical definition of genius (remember that only college bound students take the SAT). </p>

<p><a href="http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.psychologicalscience.org/pdf/ps/Frey.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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2. We all know that the applicant pool is self selecting. So its not that the quality of students is not just high in the admitted guys but in the applicant pool too...

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<p>I don't think it's more self-selecting than the applicant pool of any major college. At my school, nearly all of the top math students are applying to MIT, but it also seems like all of the top liberal arts people apply to Princeton, etc. </p>

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So my question is: out of the 15K odd students I guess who apply to MIT...How large a chunck do you think are guys who wouldnt stand a chance in hell of getting into college anywhere forget MIT? Say a 1600 no EC bad essay no hook guy...to stereotype it...How many of those do you think are there?

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<p>None. MIT is not nearly as statistics/IQ driven as you make them out to be. General intelligence isn't everything - and MIT acknowledges that. Their median SAT is about 2200, even though I'm sure they could make it much higher if they only selected by SAT. </p>

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AND...How many "sure ins" do you think there are to MIT? (this interests me more)...My belief is that there isnt anyone who applies here who has EVERYTHING that they want...you?

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<p>People always say "No sure ins", but I can't say i agree with that. If a student has had extreme challenges, like a crippling disease, horrible economic conditions, and then manages to be extremely successful, I think the student could be extremely likely to get in. </p>

<p>Furthermore, I'd imagine students who win International Math Olympiads and create crazy inventions, or win huge awards, are very likely to get into MIT.</p>

<p>My daughter was deferred on EA so this is round two for her (and many of you as well I'm sure). I guess that's the downside of EA...you sweat through two announcements. Good luck to all, both the EA deferrals and the first-timers!</p>

<p>ya it's probably worse when you've actually gotten into a great school like MIT and you're like "ya i'm going to MIT" and they're like "oh that's nice. where's that?" hahaha.</p>

<p>@ Tsenguun and LZfan.... I know what you mean about eveyone thinking it's so easy to get in..... all my teachers are like "oh, you're smart, you got a 34 ACT, there's no way you'll be rejected with that score" ..and I'm like ummm.... that's not really considered that high for MIT... especially as an international with no awards... I'm definitely rejected.... haha, and then I had a good laugh when my cousin asked me if it was even possible for me to get rejected..... and then I enlighten them to the fact that only 8 canadians get accepted and they're like "oh, but you still have a chance" - - umm no.</p>

<p>@Al6200...good thoughts but actually...The SAT vs. IQ test thing doesnt work honestly...The correlation is too vague...SAT tests aptitude...IQ tests intelligence and there is a great wall of China between those...Besides there are people (Eg. me)...Who based on Mensa have an IQ of 142...But End up with 710 on the SAT math...On the other hand friend of mine has a 800 SAT maths core with an IQ of 122...Exceptions to prove the rule? Maybe maybe not...But IQ and SAT tests have a very weak correlation...More often than not its a pseudo-system association i.e they are independent of each other...but just happen to occur together...</p>

<p>I am not saying it is solely based on general intelligence...I am saying that in the applicant pool...general intelligence is a pre-requisite...not saying that everyone is good enough to handle MIT's academic needs...just saying that you get very few who apply who cant handle the average academic need comfortably....</p>

<p>I'm still sticking with no sure-ins...When EVERYTHING counts for admission...all it takes is a little blip for the hypothetical perfect applicant to be rejected...At the same time...All it takes some times for a seemingly average applicant to get in is one spark of brilliance...Real question is...That hypothetical perfect applicant you described may well be a sure in...But is he/she real??!</p>