<p>I met a mom today whose D was recruited to an Ivy for water polo. She said the coach from the girls' team at said Ivy told her daughter she needed over 2100 to get in but that a boy from the boys' team at her D's school had received a likely with 1800s. When I asked if the boy was a substantially better athlete than her D, she said absolutely not. She is convinced that there are different SAT standards for boys and girls - even within the same sport. I had never heard that and wonder if any of you CC pros had ever heard anything similar?</p>
<p>I’ve never heard of that. But I suppose it’s possible that the pool (no pun intended) of available male water pole recruits this year had lower test scores than their female counterparts. Interesting.</p>
<p>Higher standards for females can be observed at some highly selective LAC’s as they try to keep their male / female ratio in the student body in reasonable balance. Looks like the same thing may be at play in this case.</p>
<p>Very interesting, ThanksToJack. Sounds about right.</p>
<p>I think that sounds a little wacky. I believe the average of all athletes must be within one standard deviation of the mean AI of the current freshman class. I don’t think there is a separate calculation for gender. While admissions may play around a little to keep the M/F ratio of the overall class more or less equal, I highly doubt the difference is anything like 300 points. I further doubt that kind of engineering has anything to do with athletic recruits. </p>
<p>I think it’s a lot more likely that the boy in question was a much better water polo player than his schoolmate and therefore worth the hit their average athlete’s AI would take if he were offered admission.</p>
<p>3xboys, is this the same woman who told you her daughter’s LL was jeopardized by a 78 on a test? Is her credibility questionable?</p>
<p>bellyobones, as I wrote in my post, that was my first inclination too - to think the boy was simply a relatively much better athlete and that’s why I asked the question. Granted, we can all be biased in favor of our own little darlings, but I believed her assessment of the boy - which included knowledge of which camps he had attended, record at school etc.</p>
<p>varska, her credibility is impeccable. She is exceedingly well connected in the world of top eastern prep schools and has as a family friend a very well respected Dean of Admissions from two of the top schools in the country who told her that the school’s not sending the admissions packet EA/ED was “a shot across her bow.” She got serious again and they delivered.</p>
<p>This is interesting. We know:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>All recruited athletes must have AIs that must average no less than one std deviation below the AI average for the Ivy’s freshman class as a whole.</p></li>
<li><p>Each team is given an AI average which it must meet, averaging their recruits AI’s to achieve this average.</p></li>
<li><p>Each institution has “preferred” teams that because of the Ivy’s history or priorities receive lower team average AIs in order to improve their compeitiveness and potential performance (i.e. Penn - basketball and football, Cornell - Hockey, etc.)</p></li>
<li><p>These preferred teams are traditionally the male helmet sports plus men’s basketball.</p></li>
<li><p>This logic leads one to conclude that by definition, the girls’ teams must have higher average team AI requirements in order to balance our the “preferred” teams’ lower AIs. Thus, on average, the men would have lower AI averages than the women. There has to be a lawsuit in here somewhere. </p></li>
</ul>
<p>Witness the gyrations that Brown is going through trying to cut four teams while staying in compliance with their Title IX consent degree from the 1990s.</p>
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<p>I thought it was common knowledge. 100 to 200 points lower. For instance ivys like to see girls above 2000 and boys above 1800. But those numbers don’t mean you’ll be recruited…not if a bunch of great athletes with 2300p plus show up</p>
<p>The 78 test thing is bs. It takes a lot more than a test to be withrawn…I know</p>
<p>paceight, she wasn’t withdrawn. She just didn’t get the admissions docs EA/ED.</p>
<p>A 78 test score that resulted in a low quarter grade, pulling down a GPA would warrant a hold, in my opinion. Especially since it might have been indicative of the student-athlete’s attitude towards academics, now that the game was “over”. No admissions people want to see a downward trend. Senioritis is not a valid diagnosis, haha! My daughter had to submit quarter and semester grades to guarantee her spot in the college of her choice. Her coach cautioned her NOT to let her grades slip, which was a distinct possibility with 5 APs and 5 courses at the college.</p>
<p>Oh, ok!</p>
<p>I agree, You can get delayed by a test score at schools such as hyps.</p>
<p>I still find it doubtful if she had a LL in hand, that the school would defer her six weeks later. Wouldn’t this student immediately try to get recruited somewhere else?</p>
<p>On the question of SAT scores…
We know absolutely/factually of a couple of recruited boys who were told 700s across the board required…for the SATs and subject tests for HYP…both boys have rigorous transcripts and high GPAs (both have been recruited)
and of a girl in the same sport who was told mid 600s…
I think that the score requirements do vary…and it is sport dependent and gender may matter. In this case the girl was allowed the lower scores.</p>
<p>fogfog I think you’re correct. Test scores and AIs are going to vary between the pool of available applicants for each sport, event and gender. For example, a coach may know he can get more high AI distance runners than say, sprinters (just a hypothetical example) so the bar for distance kids may be set a little higher academically. I think Sherpa mentioned something awhile ago that in fencing, high AI sabre competitors were harder to find that foil specialists.</p>