Directed Studies?

<p>I am very interested in the program and I think that it would be a great experience, though I am not sure of my major--I am leaning slightly towards a science major, though I have a lot of interest in the humanities and have always liked the idea of a liberal arts education, which this program would provide in abundance. However, the website also claims that it "serves as a strong foundation for all majors... including those in the sciences." </p>

<p>Is this really true? How could a yearlong program revolving around history, literature, and philosophy really serve as a foundation for the sciences? It seems to me that these subjects would touch on math and science only tangentially (yes, they would build reasoning skills... but it seems to me that the reasoning skills involved in molecular biology and abstract algebra are a little different from those used in analyzing Shakespeare). Furthermore Yale's information book claims that people wishing to major in sciences should start doing prerequisites their freshman year--directed studies would certainly make this more difficult, since I imagine DS would take up much of a person's courseload.</p>

<p>For anyone who has experience with this program, what would you recommend to a scientifically inclined humanist like myself? If I want to prepare for a possible future career in science while still obtaining a broad, liberal arts education, is DS the best way to achieve that? And also, more importantly, is the program rewarding--how much extra work is there, and how much do you feel you got out of the program?</p>

<p>I would greatly appreciate some advice from anybody with insight into these matters.</p>

<p>I’m not a current DSer, but as for how it’s a strong basis for a science major: it fulfills all of your non-science or QR distribution requirements, except foreign language. Social Science? Check. Humanities? Check. Writing? Check. :)</p>

<p>This question is only vaguely related, but does anyone know if there is a back button on the DS application? Or somewhere I can find a hard copy? </p>

<p>I’m curious about what is on the application, but I don’t have final versions of the first two questions to submit.</p>

<p>Wait, so does DS fulfill distribution requirements for social science, humanities, and writing for all four years? Or just freshman year? Because if its the former that would be hard to pass up </p>

<p>And yeah, I’m curious about the application too–it seems kind of short, and I don’t want to submit a blank form lol</p>

<p>Yes, it fulfills those requirements for all four years. You never have to take a social science, humanities, or writing course ever again after DS, if you so desire. :)</p>

<p>Is there a recommendation for the type of fourth course to take along with DS? Foreign language? math? (since you would need one of those other skills areas to meet the distribution requirements for freshman year)</p>

<p>I’m also wondering about the papers–how lengthy are these usually?</p>

<p>About the application: in case anyone is still wondering–it is simply that one page with the two essays.</p>

<p>If I get into Directed Studies, I think I will supplement it with multivariable calculus and maybe spanish. Then if I choose to go with a science major I can load up on those classes my sophomore year.</p>

<p>JuanMarco, I think freshmen are advised not to take more than 4 or at most 4.5 credits. Some of the foreign languages count as 1.5 credits each; if that’s true of the Spanish class you would take, you would be carrying 5.5 credits (with calc, spanish and ds). Probably you might want to rethink that.</p>

<p>yeah, i can’t see ds, math 120 and a language happening all at once. unless you don’t do all the reading, or you don’t have a life. most people in ds take one other class, usually another requirement.</p>

<p>so if I dropped the spanish and just did multivariable calc in addition to DS, would that be a reasonable workload?</p>

<p>^^^ yes, that would be reasonable. My DD’s friend did that fall semester and took Microecon spring semester.</p>

<p>Juan, I feel like I’m the best view you can have. I was preadmitted into DS, never having thought of it before. I am definitely a math/science person, although I have strong interests in the humanities (maybe not as strong as you). I ended up taking DS and looking back on it, I am very glad for what I learned and read and yet have to read (we only read parts of most works). However, I dropped it after first semester to focus more on math/science, and because I was not really academically interested in most of what we discussed in DS. I loved the reading though. You get out of the program what you put in with the reading and contemplating the reading, as the lectures are only supplemental (not related to exams and discussions). My roommate Travis was also in DS, and he stuck it out the whole way (he’s a political science person). I do have to say, the reading second semester is flat out astounding. I picked up his Nietzsche’s “On the Geneology of Morals” and started reading it for a few minutes during the last week of school and was blown away by his writing style and content in just the first few pages. Don Quixote, Paradise Lost and War and Peace make up a chunk of the literature second semester, all toweringly awesome works of fiction. Obviously, most in the program do not read most or even probably half of all the reading in literature second semester (Travis read 20 pages of War and Peace), but I wish I could have read what they read even second semester. I’m reading War and Peace now over the summer, and it’s a profound read. </p>

<p>The above were some vague personal thoughts; here’s some comments about fitting in the science. I’m a premed and I willed not to do gen chem at yale so I did Freshman Organic Chemistry along with DS. (Rant ahead) By the way, TAKE THAT CLASS. It was sublime, best class by far and the most amazing professor I’ve ever had. Even if you even have a teeny, tiny chance of needing organic chemistry, I advise you take that class regardless of any other forces. First semester I sat in on one math 120 lecture, but knew frosh orgo/lab and DS would be too much first semester. You should max out at 4.5 credits 1st semester regardless of what you end up taking. </p>

<p>One good thing about the distributional requirements with DS is that literature and philosophy are Wr/Hu credits, meaning that you can use either label with distributional requirements any year (one year use the class as a writing, another humanities). Writing credits are hard to come by in the sciences (two labs, molecular bio and inorganic chemistry, are writing credits; I’ve took mol bio 2nd semester and will take inorganic chem sophomore year). Taking DS, if only for one semester, even allows you to have all your writing done if you want to take two other humanities courses. You will need to get your distributional requirements completed regardless of how much you’re narrowly focused in science, so you might as well get them with DS, if only first semester. Plenty of people drop after first semester.</p>

<p>Second semester, even if you’re taking DS, you can go to 5.0 credits. DS is actually not all that much work or nearly as hard as people make it out to be. There’s not even that much reading first semester. And all the classes (papers) are coordinated (only 1 a week with some breaks), which helps A LOT compared to other schedules. Plus, the finals are often a negligible part of the grade. The first papers first semester are graded very harshly, if only to scare you, so don’t be phased since it gets easier after that.</p>

<p>Second semester I took Math 120, which was not much work and pretty easy. If you get the right professor, it could be your easiest class all year. I advise taking it with Michael Frame. He’s the leading professor for the course and is an extraordinary teacher. You never have to open the book once. Go early on preregistration day 15-20 min before it starts so you get his section. However, he might not be teaching/alive next year due to health reasons. I pray that he is.</p>

<p>In summary, if you’re really interested in the program, definitely take DS. I didn’t really touch on this, but if you’re not entirely convinced you have a strong desire to do DS, you probably shouldn’t do it (i.e. you don’t like discussing works in a seminar). If you take DS, you can always drop it after 1st semester to free more space for science/math and still get some of the distributional requirement fruits, not to mention the knowledge, from DS. I made a theoretical schedule for the next few years, and despite doing DS 1st semester and if time slots fit in generally, I can get a molecular biochemistry and biophysics and mathematics double major while fulfilling the requirements for medical school by the end of junior year (the typical time).</p>

<p>FYI my course schedule was</p>

<p>1st semester 4.5 cred
DS Literature
DS Philosophy (go Plato; Socrates you’ll always have a place in my heart)
DS Historical/Political Thought (Herodotus is the Man)
Freshman Organic Chemistry
Organic Chem Lab I</p>

<p>2nd semester 5.0 cred
Freshman Organic Chemistry
Organic Chem Lab II
Math 120
Psych 147- Animal Models of Clinical Disorders (a social science or natural science credit)
Molecular Biology
Molecular Biology Lab</p>

<p>The papers are roughly 4-6 pages double-spaced, 1500 words. That’s a very rough estimate. My history professor forced us to do 5 pages exactly. My other professors didn’t care much. All my papers were wildly over the word suggestions (I often changed the spacing, one time even to 1.5). Never got one below 2100 words, even for the history papers; my last philosophy paper was 4200 words (that’s embarrassingly long and wouldn’t recommend it). In another class, I would have probably got nailed for that and thus wouldn’t have done it. </p>

<p>Most people wait till the day before papers are due, making Thursday night a common hell night for DSers. I only once or twice did anything substantial on Thursday with papers (last philosophy paper=my major exception).</p>

<p>All the papers are nice compared to tests in that if you like the end product, they are a nice body of work/mementos to reflect on.</p>

<p>I was also preadmitted into DS (without ever having heard of it) and am still trying to decide if I want to do it. I talked to the booth and Jane Levin during Bulldog Days, talked to people who were doing it, and even sat in on a lecture up there. It seems really interesting and an amazing opportunity to learn in a way that I was never able to before, but I’m still kinda hesitant to clicking submit on the Directed Studies Reply form on my laptop.
First of all, I saw the reading list and it was crazy. Two weeks for War and Peace along with the other books you have to read?! I am not really a speed reader, and literature as dense as the stuff we’ll be reading just exacerbates that I guess.
Also, unlike some of you others I have little interest in the sciences and am leaning towards international studies and political science. In many ways DS is ideal for this, but it seems like taking DS will take up space and not allow me to take other interesting courses related to these fields. All I would have space for is lang. requirements and QR (I think DS covers WR).
If I go ahead and accept the invitation now (since it is due on the 8th) can I go back on it during the shopping period? I know these are a lot of questions, and any type of answer to any of them would be appreciated. Also, if you can think of another forum that I could post this to for some feedback, please lemme know.</p>

<p>It’s my understanding you can change your mind during shopping period, and that some students committed to DS do opt out after shopping for other courses.</p>

<p>i wasn’t pre-admitted to DS so i am applying right now. i am wondering if anyone knows roughly what percent of applicants are admitted and when we find out if we have been selected. i would absolutely love to do the program, but i don’t want to get my heart set on it if the chances are slim. thanks!</p>

<p>purplehippo: I’m fairly sure that, if you’re interested enough in DS to apply, you have a pretty good chance of getting in. :slight_smile: I think admitted students will be sent more information sometime in June, but that might just be wishful thinking. XD</p>

<p>I heard somewhere that about 50% of those who apply are accepted, and that final decisions go out by the end of July (acc to the DS website)</p>

<p>For those in DS, I’d advise as follows (speaking as a comp lit/Russian lit prof.): Read War and Peace now!</p>