I have recently checked collegeboard stats, and saw that Asians account for 14% at Dartmouth and 12% at Columbia(just 2% ahead of Blacks). Do they still not count as an URM?
<p>Only 4% of Americans are Asian. What does that tell you?</p>
<p>No, they are not URMs at ivies and many will say it's hardest for Asians. The good news in that Asians are URMs at some good schools. Check schools in the South in particular.</p>
<p>Ivie, no, because culturally, Asian families tend to place a higher emphasis on education. Because of this the number of Asians with good grades applying to the Ivies is quite large. The highest scoring group on the SATs are Asian females.</p>
<p>There are a fair number of respectable universities and colleges with small percentages of Asians. While people can strive for Ivies and it is absolutely amazing-- and some will say rather "necessary"-- to attend an Ivy, that is not the actual rule in many situations. A person can get an excellent education at a lesser-known school. Many lesser-known schools, most notably liberal arts colleges, are still academically very rigorous. </p>
<p>As someone mentioned, some good Southern schools don't have large Asian populations. </p>
<p>I have seen other people on CC urging Asian prospective college students to check out 1) liberal arts colleges, which in most cases, comparative to universities, don't have as many Asian students 2) lesser known LACs or unis.</p>
<p>Here's a list:</p>
<p>Univerisites ranked in the top fifty by US News and World Report with student populations at or less than 10% Asian</p>
<ol>
<li>University of Notre Dame, Indiana (ranked #18)- a paltry 5% Asian</li>
<li>Vanderbilt University, Tennesse (ranked #19)- 6% Asian</li>
<li>Wake Forest University, North Carolina (ranked #27)- 4% Asian </li>
<li>UNC-Chapel Hill, North Carolina (ranked #29)- 6% Asian</li>
<li>College of William and Mary, Virginia (ranked #31)- 7% Asian</li>
<li>Brandeis University, Massachusetts (ranked #32)- 10 % Asian</li>
<li>University of Wisconsin-Madison, WI (tied #32)- 4% Asian</li>
<li>Boston College, MA (#37)- 8% Asian</li>
<li>Lehigh University, PA (tied #37)- 6%</li>
<li>Tulane University, NO (#43)- only 3%</li>
</ol>
<p>Some of those unis may look "unappealing" to you, but they ARE pretty well-ranked (you don't have to be in the top twenty-five or so to receive a good education. This is a fact that many (but not all) Asian families seem to overlook, which is why there's so much of the competition for Asians in general to get into the SAME top ranked schools).</p>
<p>Who knows. Competition for Asian students might get so tough that those percentages at the schools I listed might increase rather dramatically over the next decades.</p>
<p>Liberal Arts Colleges ranked in the top thirty by US News and World Report with student populations at or less than 10% Asian</p>
<ol>
<li>Williams College, MA (ranked #1, folks)- 9% Asian</li>
<li>Carleton College, MN (ranked #5)- 9%</li>
<li>Davidson College, NC (tied #7)- 2% (!)</li>
<li>Wesleyan College, CT (tied #9)- 8%</li>
<li>Vassar College, NY (#12)- 9%</li>
<li>Washington and Lee, VA (tied #13)- 3%</li>
<li>Colgate University, NY (tied #16)- 6%</li>
<li><p>Grinell College, Iowa (tied #16)- 5%</p></li>
<li><p>Colby College, Maine (tied #19)- 5%</p></li>
<li><p>Hamilton College, NY (tied #19)- 5%</p></li>
<li><p>Bates College, ME (# 22)- 4%</p></li>
<li><p>Oberlin College, OH (#23)- 8%</p></li>
<li><p>Trinity College, CT (#24)- 6% </p></li>
<li><p>Bucknell University, PA (tied #26)- 6%</p></li>
<li><p>Macalester College, Minnesota (tied #26)- 6%</p></li>
<li><p>Kenyon College, OH (tied #29)- 3%</p></li>
</ol>
<h2>"Many lesser-known schools, most notably liberal arts colleges, are still academically very rigorous."</h2>
<p>I definately agree, however, in juxtaposition to a school like Williams College, the admissions process is just as overbearing as that of any ivy; it's still competitive, nevertheless.</p>
<p>Yes, but you have to understand I am from Canada. As you probably have read, we have U of T and McGill...both incredible institutions at low prices. So, if I dont get into an ivy league or other top tiers, I might as well save a couple of bucks and get an equally good education at less than third the price of LACs</p>
<p>Hey Peals, u think u can post the site where u got that info from by any chance?</p>
<p>dooit, especially if you can qualify for need or merit based aid, you should consider some of the LACs if ivies are of interest to you. The college experience (small classes, prof relationships) are much closer to ivies at these schools than is the experience at McGill and U of T. While fine schools, they are verydifferent from what you could get at a LAC.</p>
<p>I do not think URM status is given to Asians even if they fit that description. That does not mean that they are not given some extra consideration at some schools that are completely "vanilla" as I have seen in the Midwest. My good friend told the adcoms at one such college that she "had never seen so many blondes in her life in one place", and that the school truly needed to bring in some diversity. They agreed with her, and I guess Asians would get preference there, but the fact of the matter is that few apply there. As for Ivies, the answer is absolutely not.</p>
<p>Actually, dooit, although Columbia College has an Asian population of 12% (which is often joked about here), the Columbia engineering school has almost half of its undergraduate student body of East Asian descent. Using weighted averages, this comes out to about 19% in Columbia's undergrad population as a whole, in line with most competitive colleges. And Asians don't get a leg up in the admissions process at Columbia College either; the adcoms there are just as happy to reject tons of them as any other selective school (and they do).</p>
<p>The rankings come from the most current list from US News and World Report, avaliable online at <a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/rankindex_brief.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/rankindex_brief.php</a></p>
<p>The percentages of Asians at each school come from <a href="http://www.princetonreview.com%5B/url%5D">www.princetonreview.com</a>, under each school's "Student Body" statistics listing. The Princeton Review webpage started freezing up while I was typing my post, so for some of the percentages, I had to use my Fiske Guide to Colleges guidebook instead. The Fiske Guide's percentages are probably only a percent or so different from the Princeton Review racial stats.</p>
<p>You can look them up for yourself if you feel there is some error or discrepancy in the numbers.</p>
<p>By the way, sorry for the mistake "Tulane, NO". I was thinking New Orleans when I should have put down "Tulane, LA" for Louisiana.</p>
<p>haha I wish so! (although im only half :P)</p>
<p>I think some Asians, such as Vietnamese, are considered URMs.</p>
<p>so do asians count as urms at vandy and williams?</p>
<p>Harvard's website says:</p>
<p>The Undergraduate Minority Recruitment Program (UMRP) assists the Admissions Office in extending its outreach to prospective students. The program is staffed by current undergraduates who coordinate recruitment efforts on behalf of African American, ASIAN AMERICAN, Latino, and Native American students. Coordinators are equipped to address a full range of questions concerning academic and extracurricular opportunities at Harvard, as well as social and residential life.</p>
<p>Asians are considered minorities for many purposes. But URM status for admissions is a very special category. For those purposes, African Americans, Hispanics, and American Indians are tagged. Not Asians.</p>
<p>Asians aren't considered URMs. And it really sucks for me.</p>
<p>U= under R=represented. Simply, Asians are not under represented in American colleges.</p>
<p>"I think some Asians, such as Vietnamese, are considered URMs."</p>
<p>I think it's Southeast Asians that are considered URMs. Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Filipino and so on. East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) and South Asians (Indians) are overly-represented in American universities and colleges, comparative to their numbers in the actual American population. </p>
<p>When people see statistics of Asian-Americans-- how such huge percentages are in college/grad school, how they make higher incomes than any other racial group in America etc-- they tend to think that all Asian-Americans are successful-- the "model minority" idea. What some people don't realize is that there are a LOT of Asians (mostly recent Asian immigrants, more often from countries in Southeast Asia) that are dirt-poor, uneducated, and not successful at all. </p>
<p>These Asians are the ones that benefit from affirmative action/racial preference. When some Asian complain about aff. action, what they often fail to realize is that AA doesn't negatively affect ALL Asians. Rather, a Filipino-American or a Vietnamese-American college hopeful benefits from URM status and affirmative action, like a black or Latino kid would.</p>