Do i need a reality check?

<p>Im an international student from Pakistanand thinking of applying to America for my undergrad. But the thing is i cant afford the eduaction and ill probably need full financial aid which makes matters difficult. i plan to do engineering(electrical or mechanical). </p>

<p>My stats are:
Given my O levels 5 A's and 3 B's (A's in all physics,chem,maths and english though)
Given my As levels 3A's,physics,chem,maths)
Sat 2150(750M, 700 in both english sections)
Top 2% of class. The school does not have a GPA.
The grading system of school is very tough( the exams are made tougher than the actual O and A level exams)
Looking to give my Sat2(physics,chem,maths2) in Jan, probably get 800 in each(750 min)
5A's and 3B's in O levels (gave through edexcel).
3A's A Levels (phy,cem,maths)(through cambridge)</p>

<p>EC: not too many, went to india for a essay writing competition,Hiking(does it count?), a good table tennis player (2nd best in school), helped in organizing events in school (farewells) taken part in model making competition of WWF and a science fair.Tutored my brother and his friends maths and the science subjects.(My school does not have any clubs so thats why they are missing).Done some community service 50(if standing outside a mosque and checking people by hand to prevent a terrorist from getting in, counts as one) about 50 hours.Also was part of a protest organizing commitee for 4 years(My main work is providing food to the protestors) and the one this year was about 25000 to 30000 people. Taken part in 2 science project competition.</p>

<p>Essay will try to write killer ones.</p>

<p>Recomendations: they will be very good </p>

<p>The schools ill be applying to:
Harvard
Yale
Lafayette
Union college
Trinity college
Washington & Lee</p>

<p>People please reply and tell me about my chances to these universities.</p>

<p>Give up on Harvard/Yale for regular admissions, let alone scholarship opportunities. Keep in mind that international students needing financial aid are in a tough position.</p>

<p>If i write a killer essay will my chances improve? How abt giving me a %age chance of getting into universities i’ll be applying to. Anyway i read they(harvard,yale) dont take your nationality in account when assessing your application.</p>

<p>Give up on Harvard/Yale. Unless you are the genius prodigy of Pakistan you will not receive that scholarships that you mentioned you needed let alone get in. Now your other choices of schools are quite random. I’d say you have a good shot of getting it at the other schools you listed. Although, I’m not too sure about a full scholarship - but you will probably get some money at them. Best of luck. But drop Yale and Harvard. Even if your essay was Nobel Literature Prize worthy, it would be impossible.</p>

<p>But on Harvard website it says they compare you to all the international applicants not from your own country. Anyway where do i lack besides my SAT score?</p>

<p>Plus Harvard does not give scholarships it gives need blind aid.</p>

<p>I hate people who discourage you based on false information.</p>

<p>Taken directly from the Harvard website:</p>

<p>"Harvard is strongly committed to making educational opportunity accessible to all. All financial aid is awarded on the basis of financial need, and Harvard meets 100 percent of each family’s demonstrated need. About 70 percent of Harvard undergraduates receive financial aid.</p>

<p>The financial aid policies for foreign citizens are exactly the same as those for U.S. citizens. All aid is need-based, and admissions decisions are made without regard to whether an applicant has applied for financial assistance.</p>

<p>Students who are not United States or Canadian citizens or permanent residents should complete the “Financial Statement for Students from Foreign Countries.” If you do not have a copy of this form, please request one from our office or download the forms from the Financial Aid Office website.This form must be completed by all incoming students who are not United States or Canadian citizens or permanent residents, whether or not they plan to apply for financial aid. Without complete information and appropriate certification, Harvard cannot issue visa documents.</p>

<p>For more information, please refer to the Financial Aid Office Website. "</p>

<p>Taken from the Yale website:</p>

<p>“Yale is strongly committed to equality of opportunity. Its need-blind admissions policy extends to international students and ensures that the College will be accessible to all candidates from any part of the world who show great academic and personal promise. As such, the financial aid policies for foreign citizens are exactly the same as those for U.S. citizens. An application for financial aid will have no bearing on the Admissions Committee’s decisions, and Yale will meet 100% of the demonstrated need of any candidate admitted. Awards combine gift assistance and term-time employment. The student’s family will be expected to contribute funds to the extent that it can, and the student must make sure that these funds can be withdrawn from his or her country. International financial aid forms are available on the Financial Aid Web site.”</p>

<p>Next time, try not to be totally disheartening for the poor guy without doing your research.</p>

<p>To OP, apply there. There’s no harm in applying, you might even get in. There’s no point in asking people on these boards because most of them don’t know anything about your country’s education system. Having lived in India, I recognize how tough those schools are, and, seeing as schools like Harvard probably receive hundreds of applicants from India/Pakistan, I’m sure they know the schooling system there as well. Being top 2% of your class (assuming you’re in a private school), is really good.</p>

<p>If I were you, I would apply. I’m not saying you’ll get in, but you’re never going to know if you don’t apply. Frankly, asking for a chance here is usually like asking one of your friends to chance you; nobody who visits this thread will be an admissions officer, and be able to tell you whether you’ll get in or not. All it does it lower your self-esteem, and God knows you don’t need that. I, unfortunately, learned that the hard way.</p>

<p>Oh, and to the other people who commented in this thread: Don’t tell anybody to give up. That’s the most a**hole-ish thing you can do. Are you an admissions officer? Do you make the decisions? Have you seen who else has applied as an international students? How are you so quick to make a decision? And don’t give me crap about stats, because we all recognize that schools like Harvard can accept what may seem to you the most unqualified applicants.</p>

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<p>Are you kidding me? No seriously. Are you joking? I realize that it’s a hyperbole, but that’s simply a moronic claim.</p>

<p>thnx xshadow63. Just wanted to ask does this count as hook and maked me stand out from the rest: I have been one of the security personell at a local mosque. this mosque is of a minority sect (of islam) and we have been the victims of terrorism for a long time and there have been numerous bomb blasts in our mosques. My job was to check people entering the mosques, in case they were terrorists and carrying a bomb or ammunition.</p>

<p>And my Physics teacher at school is also a head of department at a big university here, will his recommendation have extra weight?</p>

<p>alimurtaza u have pretty good chances, dont hesitate to apply!</p>

<p>I don’t know if it would be a hook, but it definitely sets you apart. And extra recommendations are dependent on the university; Columbia, for example, discourages them. Your best bet would be to ask the undergrad admissions office at Harvard.</p>

<p>The other essay i was thinkin about was about how i overcame hydrophobia. Nothing wrong about it? and how long should the supplement essay be, the essay im working on will be slightly over 400 words.</p>

<p>Harvard and Yale are extreme reaches and the others have very limited aid for internationals, and we don’t know how little this year because of the economy, so anyone who gives you a % chance doesn’t know what they’re talking about.</p>

<p>All you can do is try but have strong backups at home.</p>

<p>As for killer essays, they help a lot once you have the stats. However, almost everyone seems to think their essays are killer, and having worked in admissions I can tell you that very few really are.</p>

<p>So what kind of essays are regarded as “killers”?</p>

<p>Ali, while I have no clue on what your chances of getting in are (although I do think your stats are rather impressive), especially because you are international, I thought that this might help–</p>

<p>[Schools</a> Awarding International Financial Aid](<a href=“http://www.internationalstudent.com/schools_awarding_aid/]Schools”>Schools Awarding International Financial Aid)</p>

<p>It’s a list of 8 American universities that have need-blind admission policies for international students, and who, according to the website, offer aid. While I’m not sure how accurate the information is, it can’t hurt to look into these schools and contact the admissions offices with questions. They are usually happy to help.</p>

<p>Best of luck!</p>

<p>No one here on this forum can tell you your chances unless you’re at either end of the applicant pool. Since you’re stats are in the range of all the schools you’re applying to, only entities that can tell you whether you’ll get in are the schools themselves. But you of course already knew that and probably made this thread only to get some encouragement (as most people do), so here it comes:
You’ll get in with full-aid!</p>

<p>Thnx for encouragement</p>

<p>I think you have a good chance at Lafayette</p>

<p>Honestly I really dont know much about the other one</p>

<p>And I dont want to say anything about Harvarda and Yale</p>

<p>But if I could make a addition to you List I would add Lehigh University
It is located about 30 min from Lafayette and it is very strong in engineering</p>

<p>Also it is a HUGE rival of Lafayette</p>

<p>I think that they would love to have you because I know they do accept international students </p>

<p>I love the school and it currently is my first choice of a university </p>

<p>also I am a legacy and my mother loved it there as well</p>

<p>GOOD LUCK
and ps i saw that you needed aid their office of aid does not look at your academic preformance when they decide they look at your families income and decide your package based on those factors. BUT they do offer scolarships based on grades and merit awards so with you grades you will def get some help.</p>

<p>So how much chance do i have at Lehigh University with full aid? Been to their site and i am interested.</p>

<p>Plus i want to do engineering will it make it harder?</p>

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<p>This is not true for international applicants.</p>