do you believe in global warming/climate change?

<p>(sorry for infusing politics in here, but…)</p>

<p>Ok, one side of my family is feeding me liberal garbage about global warming and how we are killing the earth. My uncle sent me Al Gore’s documentary book. </p>

<p>At school, one of my teachers loves to bring his conservative point of view into class. He just keeps spewing about how horrible Obama is and he’s a socialist, blah blah. But he gets really worked up about global warming. He says there is no real evidence that humans/CO2 cause it and Al Gore is a hypocritical @$$hat and is just another liberal with an “agenda”. He says that the only evidence that believers in global warming give is that the Polar ice caps are melting, and he says that is just the earth on a cycle. </p>

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There is overwhelming scientific data, and there is a consensus among scientists that climate change is happening, and that the most plausable explanation is human activities. The reason most people don’t believe that climate change is happening/is caused by humans is mainly that the science behind it is extremely complicated and unpredictable, and they don’t understand it.

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<p>Ok, do you want to dumb it down for me and explain some evidence that we cause global warming? Right now I have to side with my teacher, until I get evidence that suggests otherwise.</p>

<p>Start with the IPCC report on climate change. A lot of people don’t trust An Inconvenient Truth due to Al Gore’s status as a politician and not a scientist, so it would probably convince you more to read something that is scientific and not political.</p>

<p>[IPCC</a> Fourth Assessment Report: Working Group I Report “The Physical Science Basis”](<a href=“http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm]IPCC”>http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm)</p>

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<p>10 char…</p>

<p>Another thing is we’re not killing the Earth. There’s not even a definition for the “death of Earth”. But, I mean for human welfare and prosperity it’s probably in our best interest to stabalize the climate. So it’s not true that we’re “killing” the Earth, but we’re changing the Earth in a way that’ll mostly kill us. </p>

<p>The most important evidence for global warming is the incredible correlation between global temperature and global carbon dioxide concentrations. Therefore, this evidence negates that fact that global warming is cyclical. Fine, let’s assume it’s cyclical, but we know the two facts: </p>

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<li>Global warming damages our economy. </li>
<li>Global warming can be controlled by lower carbon emissions. </li>
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<p>It doesn’t matter that perhaps the Earth is going through a cycle as long as we have a slightest ability to mitigate global warming then we do it. For example, I’m allergic to grass pollen and I get really, really irrtated by them during April. It’s a cyclical phenomenon, I haven’t done anything to cause it, but does it mean I shouldn’t take allergy meds?</p>

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<p>I will take out a $50 million dollar loan to put on the line. The earth will not warm 5 degrees C by 2100. Come on.</p>

<p>Honestly… what is the “current trend” that all these people talk about. 30 years? 100 years? How old is the earth? 4.5 BILLION years? let’s look at the data that we are using then if these climate people are complaining about the last 100 years:
100/4,500,000,000 or 1/45,000,000.</p>

<p>They are looking at 1/45,000,000 of the data and drawing a conclusion? No thanks.</p>

<p>Al Gore makes money when people buy carbon credits.</p>

<p>Sociomedical sciences is like a “health, medicine, and society” major – we study the social determinants of health and how social, economic, and behavioral factors affect medicine and public health. I personally study the effects of social behavior and social psychology on health decision making, and I’d agree with you that it’s a “green” major.</p>

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<p>Do you know what the somewhat ironic thing here is? There ARE many companies in the same business as Exxon Mobil that agree that Global Warming is happening and caused by humans. You heard me right. There are companies, such as BP, ConocoPhillips, and many others who agree that some of the things that they make money off of are resulting in global warming. Take a look at this unambiguous statement by an organization called the “United States Climate Action Partnership,” an alliance including the companies above and many others:</p>

<p><a href=“Case Studies - Meridian Institute”>Case Studies - Meridian Institute;

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<p>When the very same companies that are causing the problem start making statements like this, you know that it’s worth a good hard look.</p>

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<p>Did you really just dismiss the best science that the world has ever produced on this topic with a “come on”? Do you think that the hundreds of scientists that have spent their careers studying this complex topic didn’t think of your objection before writing this report, which would be taken as the scientific consensus on this very hot-button issue? These are the unambiguous statements of humongous scientific organizations with similarly large reputations to protect. Who are you?</p>

<p>Soulturtle is correct. And the reason scientists don’t need to use earlier data (not that it exists) is because the composition of the earth’s atmosphere was radically different in ancient history. For most of those 4.5 BILLION YEARS that you emphasized the earth didn’t have any oxygen, for example.</p>

<p>And ending with the Al Gore conspiracy line; classic.</p>

<p>I think the climate change people would have a heck of a lot easier time making their argument if they focused on air quality and how poor it is in so many locations around the country. Every time I come out here to Los Angeles from being at home in Pennsylvania, I can taste the air for a few days. Let people realize how poor the air they’re breathing is and they’ll be a lot more likely to care about cutting down on their carbon emissions than waving fancy graphs and politicized data about.</p>

<p>Soccerdumbass: </p>

<p>First of all it’s over 200 years since the trend began with the Industrial Revolution. Furthermore, the fact that it is happening so quickly during these 200 years is PROOF that global warming is related to human activities. Scientists looked at all the geological history and never found an era where global temperature and CO2 concentration increased so fast within 200 years. Within several eons, maybe, not never in mere 200 years.</p>

<p>grow up, augustus!</p>

<p>what’s with the namecalling?</p>

<p>Juillet - Thanks for answering my question about what SocioMedical sciences are :)</p>

<p>I think it’s funny everyone else is calling each other names and bickering over global warming. I didn’t expect to learn anything on this thread about climate change that I couldn’t have learned in college, online or from a book. My point was really to see whether most college students are liberal go-greener types like the ones i’m surrounded by.</p>

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<p>I am soccerguy315. I like long walks on the beach…</p>

<p>You act like there is consensus… there is not. There are many scientists who do not agree that there is human caused global warming.</p>

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William Happer, professor of Physics at Princeton University
[Global</a> Warming and Climate Change in Perspective: Truths and Myths About Carbon Dioxide, Scientific Consensus, and Climate Models by William Happer – Capitalism Magazine](<a href=“http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5441]Global”>http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5441)</p>

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<p>So there was no oxygen… and now there is. Is it unrealistic to think that maybe once again, at a point in the future, there will be no more oxygen? Maybe the Earth changes without regard to humans…</p>

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<p>I would respond, but I stopped reading after your first line. If you would like to restate your argument without an attitude, I would be happy to read it. However, feel free to read the link I posted above, regarding your “proof”</p>

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If you don’t think there’s a consensus, you have not done any real research on the issue.</p>

<p>A stray scientist here or there does not a consensus break.</p>

<p>“There have been similar and even larger warmings several times in the 10,000 years since the end of the last ice age.”</p>

<p>This is the fastest increase, however.</p>

<p>“No, the current warming period began about 1800 at the end of the little ice age, long before there was an appreciable increase of CO2.”</p>

<p>Yet it didn’t accelerate to record warming speeds until after the CO2 increase.</p>

<p>“Maybe the Earth changes without regard to humans…”</p>

<p>A fallacy. Just because the earth’s climate changes without regard to humans doesn’t mean that humans cannot have an impact on the environment.</p>

<p>Most of your link’s examples come from history, like the “Little Ice Age” or the example with Charles Darwin. None of them have anything to do with modern science, and the author has not researched climate change in 16 years.</p>

<p>[Capitalism</a> Magazine: Climate and Global Warming](<a href=“http://www.capmag.com/category.asp?catID=71]Capitalism”>http://www.capmag.com/category.asp?catID=71)</p>

<p>Also, all of the articles on that website are against global warming. Hardly an unbiased source.</p>

<p>^ I agree. </p>

<p>Soccer: </p>

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<li><p>Why do scientists who deny global warming have more credibility than those who don’t? </p></li>
<li><p>If both groups have equal credibility, then shouldn’t we be prepared for the worst possibility? Why do people buy health insurance when they don’t know for certain whether they will become sick? </p></li>
<li><p>What are the harms of seeking renewable energy sources and limiting short-run output if global warming proves to be “wrong”?</p></li>
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people care about themselves. They think, “I could get in a car crash tomorrow, better get health insurance!” But when it comes to things like global warming they think, “well it may be true, but so what? so the planet will warm 1 degree during my lifetime…why the hell should I pay for it and do all this crap to stop it? i’ll be dead by then anyway.”

lets see…waste trillions of dollars? don’t know about you Canadians, but we Americans aren’t exactly rolling in money these days.</p>

<p>I was kinda hoping everyone would just stick with the format, say their opinion and leave, so this would be easy…haha but what did I expect? this is CC, after all.</p>

<p>well for all you global warming advocates out there, will you please explain the global cooling of the mid 20th century?–since you are all so adamant about the era of industry being the cause.</p>