Do you think any of these colleges would reevaluate my financial aid?

<p>So, I got admitted to eight colleges. I've received all the financial aid packages now and the best ones don't seem to be for the schools I really want to go to. I have read that if you show schools a better offer from a comparable school, they might reconsider financial aid. I'm not really sure which of these schools would be comparable. Do the schools have to be in direct competition for students? I listed my colleges below in order of net price from least to greatest. I think Wellesley might be the most because they didn't seem to factor in my sibling attending college so I'm going to call them to clarify either way. I'm particularly interested in getting Smith or Macalester to reconsider. Do you think I have a decent shot at that?</p>

<p>Earlham College
Colby College
Grinnell College
Macalester College
UC Berkeley
UC Davis
Smith College
Wellesley College</p>

<p>Are you instate for CA? If not, I doubt they will reconsider your aid at UCB or UCD.</p>

<p>Where did you get the most aid? If it was Earlham, that would NOT be a peer school to Wellesley, or Colby or even Grinnell, in my opinion. </p>

<p>If you filed the Profile, Wellesley should have had the SAME information as all of the other schools. But yes, do call them to clarify.</p>

<p>Did you run the net price calculators for these schools? If not, do that ASAP. It might just be that this is what they calculate you can pay.</p>

<p>Also, did you receive merit aid from Earlham? If so, the other schools won’t adjust need based aid to meet a merit award…in most cases.</p>

<p>Are ANY of these affordable for your family?</p>

<p>The privates look comparable enough, particularly Colby & Grinnell, that it’s worth a try. If you’re IS for the UCs, privates may not consider them as it’s apples and oranges. Definitely call Smith and Mac, ask for a FA review and tell them about the more generous offers. </p>

<p>Yes, I am instate. I don’t have a strong desire to go to UCB or UCD and I think they just give aid by formula. was wondering if I could use UCB to maybe convince Smith or Wellesley to give me more aid but I wasn’t sure because they are public schools. </p>

<p>They are in order of where I got the most aid. So, yes Earlham gave me the most aid due to merit/need based scholarships. </p>

<p>I did run the net price calculator for these schools. Wellesley is $12,185 over what they predicted. Smith is $7,156 over predction.</p>

<p>I received both merit and need-based aid from Grinnell, Macalester, and Earlham. I think they were going to give me that money anyway in grants so I though it was sort of useless. Will this prevent me from trying to get other schools from matching the prices?</p>

<p>My parents are allowing me to visit Grinnell and Colby because they offerred me some reimbursement to fly out. (I’ve already visited Earlham) Macalester is seriously only $57 more expensive than Grinnell but my parents are saying that my choice should be between Earlham, Colby, and Grinnell. I think it’s because Macalester hasn’t offerred me any money to visit. Smith offered reimbursement to visit but it’s unaffordable. I think I can afford Earlham and Colby. I would just go to Colby because it’s a great academic fit and they offered me some nice scholarships but I’m worried that it isn’t LGBT-friendly. So Grinnell and Mac are about $3000 more a year and that means I would have to take out the maximum loans. I am planning on getting a phd so that might not be very good to get in tons of debt so quickly. UC Berkeley is confusing beause I was admitted in the spring. I think if I sign up for the extension program and live there both semesters it would be $230 more than Grinnell a year. I’d probably just go to a community college for a semester though and then it would be cheaper. Although I think I would rather go to UCB for graduate school.</p>

<p>“Wellesley is $12,185 over what they predicted”. That is a lot of money. Does your family have a business, rental properties, etc? Did you use your numbers from your CSS Profile? Wellesley’s Net Price Calculator still uses 2013/14 tuition/fee numbers, while the financial aid package use the new 2014/15 numbers. </p>

<p>My sister going to college pretty much cuts my EFC in half. She’s just going to community college but is not living at home. It does not seem like Wellesley included this consideration in the financial aid package although the other schools did. The other schools included messages like “Your sister must be confirmed to be enrolled in college part time/full time next fall or you will owe us thousands of dollars more” in their financial aid packages and Wellesley did not include that. My family’s income did go up $5,000 this year due to tax stuff mostly so the actual price difference is more like $11,700 now. So I would expect it to go up a bit but not much. My family’s financial situation is super typical and mostly the net price calculators have been approximately accurate.</p>

<p>Wellesley gives need based aid. Your merit awards at other schools probably will not matter to them at all.</p>

<p>What was your FAFSA EFC? Are these financial aid awards far off of that? Colleges will not award you need based aid to pay for your EFC.</p>

<p>Re: your net costs at UCB and UCD, it is highly unlikely that these other private universities are going to match your net cost at one of your instate public universities.</p>

<p>I would suggest you contact Smith and Mac as well. It is very possible they will look at your award from Colby and Grinnell, and perhaps reconsider.</p>

<p>My FAFSA EFC is a little under $12,000 dollars. Wellesley has my FAFSA EFC at $24,306. (Net price at $29,856) I know they won’t consider merit offers at oter schools, I just hope they will look again or just clarify why they calculated it so differently. </p>

<p>Earlham offered the best financial that only had me taking out $3,000 in loans a year after my EFC. Colby has me taking out $4,600 in loans but I think some of that will be covered by the “paid research assistant” job that isn’t technically work study because they didn’t give me work study. None of the colleges are giving me enough merit to actually have me pay less than my EFC. The merit awards were just what the schools were going to give me in grants anyway for schools that meet “full need” (all of them except Earlham). I pretty sure they didn’t have any effect on my financial aid package.</p>

<p>Do you think it is better to contact schools about this through email or on the phone? And is it rude to ask Macalester if they ever offer reimbursement to students who fly out and if that would be possible? My parents want me to ask but I think it’s sort of a small cost when compared to four years of college.</p>

<p>Wellesley did not consider your sister being in college. Call them to confirm this is true, and then maybe you can talk about what it will take for you to be able to go there. Call up your admissions officer there, thank him/her for the acceptance and ask for advice on handling this. Maybe the name of the fin aid officer there, something. If no help there, thank the person and then move on to fin aid and point out the issues there. Yes, you can bring up the fact that you are getting more at other schools which is making it difficult to go to your first choice, but no, a public university is not likely to be considered a match to a school like Wellesley, but it may help to let them know what you are dealing with. </p>

<p>Thank you very much for the advice. Should I ask Grinnell to see if they will match Colby’s package too?</p>

<p>I think you should. I would not ask that way. I would go more a round about route and ask them to reevaluate in light of a similar school offering more. Many schools won’t negotiate, but will evaluate. Make it into a bargaining session and they’ll just shut down the discussion.</p>

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<p>Cutting the EFC is not always a 50/50 split. I am willing to bet that Wellesley did consider your sister in college and cut your EFC proportionally. If your sister is going CC and even if she is not living at home she is most likely paying less than half the cost of attending Wellesley, Wellesley is not going to cut your EFC in half.</p>

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<p>Actually all the FAFSA does is determine your eligibility for federal (and some state aid). Wellesley uses a combination of federal and institutional methodologies in determining your financial aid package. They use FAFSA for federal aid and the CSS profile to determine how they are going to disburse their own institutional funds. The CSS takes a more comprehensive look at your family’s income and assets including how much your parents are paying for your sister to attend school. There are some things that are not considered on the FAFSA (ex: home equity), that are considered at profile school. In addition, deductions or things that your parents may not have had to report on FAFSA are probably added back in or considered assets on the profile.</p>

<p>Wellesley states:</p>

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<p>Wellesley states the following:</p>

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<p>Federal Methodology is used to determine eligibility for all federal funds, such as Federal Pell Grants, Federal Academic Competitiveness Grants (ACG), Federal National Science and Mathematics Access to Retain Talent (SMART) Grants, Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants (FSEOG), Federal Stafford loans, Federal Perkins loans, and Federal Work-Study.</p>

<p>Schools that distribute their own institutional funds use an Institutional Methodology and their professional judgment to determine eligibility for their school’s scholarship funds.</p>

<p>Two distinct formulas assess information reported in the aid application process. The traditional institutional methodology (IM), developed by the College Board and refined annually by economists and aid administrators, determines the expected family share of costs. IM is the dominant standard among selective national colleges. Most schools that use an institutional methodology to disburse their own funds use either the CSS profile or their own FA form.</p>

<p>The federal methodology (FM) through the filing of determines eligibility for federal aid. All schools require students who are U.S. citizens or permanent residents to at minimum file the FAFSA if they are requesting FA. The only thing the FAFSA does is determine one’s ability for federal aid, (pell grants, seog, stafford and perkins loans).</p>

<p>Differences between the IM and FM models include:</p>

<p>IM collects information on estimated academic year family income, medical expenses, elementary and secondary school tuition and unusual circumstances. FM omits these questions.</p>

<p>IM considers a fuller range of family asset information, while FM ignores assets of siblings, all assets of certain families with less than $50,000 of income, and both home and family farm equity.</p>

<p>FM defines income as the “adjusted gross income” on federal tax returns, plus various categories of untaxed income. IM includes in total income any paper depreciation, business, rental or capital losses which artificially reduce adjusted gross income.</p>

<p>FM does not assume a minimum student contribution to education; IM expects the student, as primary beneficiary of the education, to devote some time each year to earning money to pay for education.</p>

<p>FM ignores the noncustodial parent in cases of divorce or separation; IM expects parents to help pay for education, regardless of current marital status.</p>

<p>FM and IM apply different percentages to adjust the parental contribution when multiple siblings are simultaneously enrolled in college, and IM considers only siblings enrolled in undergraduate programs.</p>

<p>The IM expected family share represents a best estimate of a family’s capacity (relative to other families) to absorb, over time, the costs of education. It is not an assessment of cash on hand, a value judgment about how much a family should be able to use current income, or a measure of liquidity. The final determinations of demonstrated need and awards rest with the University and are based upon a uniform and consistent treatment of family circumstances.</p>

<p>Except in the most extraordinary circumstances, Colleges classifies incoming students as dependent upon parents for institutional aid purposes, even though some students may meet the federal definition of “independence.”</p>

<p>Students enrolling as dependent students are considered dependent throughout their undergraduate years when need for institutional scholarships is determined.</p>

<p>For institutional aid purposes a student may not “declare” independence due to attainment of legal age, internal family arrangements, marriage or family disagreements.</p>

<p>Keep in mind that Wellesley and similar schools calculates your financial aid using a combination of both the federal and institutional methodologies.</p>

<p>I spoke to a very nice FA person at Bryn Mawr who explained that my son in CC would not merit a full split-- they would take off the cost of the CC, but they wouldn’t discount as much as a FAFSA only school. </p>

<p>We have toured Earlham, Mac and Grinnell. All great schools. I was pretty psyched about Grinnell personally, if you can manage the Iowa thing :)</p>

<p>Yes, that was the problem with Wellesley and Smith. Is this a women’s college thing? It’s totally devastating. I wonder if Mt. Holyoke does that too. I should have applied to more women’s colleges. If anyone is later looking at this, Smith did increase my grants a little bit (~$2,250) for the high cost of living in my area but not enough to make it affordable.</p>