<p>Nah being an Ivy doesn’t make a school top ten. Stanford, Duke, Caltech, and MIT (The best ranked school in the world) showed us that. Cornell and Brown are surpassed by the WUStl. and Hopkins. It just goes to show being an Ivy doesn’t always make the school great, it just happens that a lot of great schools are Ivy League. Also I think Princeton, MIT, Cambridge, Oxford, Stanford, and Yale can beat out Harvard any day given the circumstances. To say, HYPMS or Oxbridge can compare to Cornell overall is absurd, HYPMS and Oxbridge are in leagues of their own. A more reasonable comparison for Cornell would be Hopkins, Dartmouth, and Brown. As long as HYPMS, Oxbridge, Duke, and Penn are around I don’t think Cornell would come close to being in the top ten.</p>
<p>"This one already has Cornell on top ten:
Top 100 Universities in North America | 2013 World University Ranking</p>
<p>Just to show how rankings are different. (And I just realized the ranking in Saugus’ earlier post: Cornell is also on top 10 already)"</p>
<p>This list seems inaccurate on so many levels. Here are some faults;</p>
<p>-Cornell outranking Columbia, Yale and Princeton?
-Penn State and UMich outranking UPenn, Yale, Princeton, Duke, Dartmouth, Carnegie Mellon and UVa? Really?</p>
<p>That list seems very faulty. Can you show us a real list with Cornell ranked in the top ten? Your suggesting Cornell outranks Yale, Princeton and Duke? Really? Find a real list with Cornell on it and then say its legit because I really don’t believe that Yale is worse than the University of Michigan.</p>
<p>EDIT: Also Cornell outranking Duke on Saugus’s list? Please go to USNR it seems like most are avoiding it. BTW that ranking was back in 2012.</p>
<p>^Please read post #8 and the link at the bottom for explanations.</p>
<p>Regarding the ranking that has Cornell at number 5, click on this link then click on the red link right above MIT to see how they came up with the ranks.
<a href=“http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/[/url]”>http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/</a></p>
<p>Many on this thread are saying no ranking is perfect. US News and World Report is just one of them in the money-making industry.</p>
<p>Don’t feed the trolls. Read his previous posts. It’s all nonsense about rankings.</p>
<p>The rank was published in 2005. Its 2013 now? 7 Year difference… No one is going to take that ranking seriously.</p>
<p>How am I being a ■■■■■ by saying Yale is better than Penn State and that ranking was published almost 10 years ago…</p>
<p>EDIT: I’m not putting down Cornell, I am just saying that most people don’t think Princeton, Yale, and Columbia are outranked by Cornell. It sounds whack. So stop calling me a ■■■■■ when I have a different opinion than you (and most of the majority agree) that this list is inaccurate. Its really funny how on the Cornell thread they try and defend it by making up rankings from 7 years ago. Look Cornell is no where better than Princeton, Yale or Penn go on the forums and ask anyone I bet all of them will call you crazy.</p>
<p>^Which one are you talking about?</p>
<p>The one Saugus linked from Business Week was 2012. The one I linked is 2013, the methodology is used since 2005.</p>
<p>^I’ve proven Cornell student body is stronger with facts. You just cannot take the truth. I can understand.</p>
<p>Anyone would choose HYP over Cornell any day. Student body shows nothing about how good you are its about the people you produce. How many Cornell presidents have there been? Oh I forgot… How many Yale presidents have there been? Oh better yet Harvard. Look anyone is going to choose HYP over Cornell and HYP is more known and is recognized as better, throw as many stats at us but you saying Cornell surpasses HYP is absurd. Also your list is stupid as well with Penn State beating Princeton. 2Daswell Penn state is not better than Yale or Princeton so stop acting like it is. Y and P have harder academics than Cornell so lower grades are understandable? Come on.</p>
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Rarely, grover, have I encountered anyone with as great a fondness for balderdash as you seem to have!</p>
<p>By this reasoning, one should choose Eureka College (Ronald Reagan), Whittier College (Richard Nixon) or the field artillery school at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma (Harry Truman) over Cornell, too.</p>
<p>Grover12,
It appears that you agree with the fact that Cornell’s student body is stronger. However, you think Yale produced more presidents. </p>
<p>I am not disagreeing with you on Yale produced more US presidents, but Cornell produced world leaders as well:</p>
<p>Lee Teng-hui (Ph.D. 1968) – President of Taiwan, 1988–2000
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<p>“Anyone would choose HYP over Cornell any day”</p>
<p>Those who ED’ed Cornell chose Cornell over HYP for sure. And there were 3,094 of them last year.</p>
<p>Cornellians who ED are desperate to get into the Ivy League. HYP, Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth and Penn are the true Ivy Leagues. I would mach rather see Duke, MIT, Stanford, Caltech or Hopkins in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>^ You don’t know them all. There are plenty of people who just love Cornell. 
You can hold on to your belief, that’s fine. (You are not even in Yale yet… I know high school students like to say things they don’t know sometimes. That’s fine, too. You are pretty desperate to get into Yale. I wish you well.)</p>
<p>The web page which explains the methodology used on the ranking that you had problem with, states:</p>
<p>“The aim of this website is to provide an approximate popularity ranking of world Universities and Colleges based upon the popularity of their websites. This is intended to help international students and academic staff to understand how popular a specific University/College is in a foreign country.
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<p>In this ranking using international web hits, Harvard is the only Ivy League school ranked ahead of Cornell. This fits the description in these past CC posts regarding Cornell’s reputation in Asia. I just dug out…. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15887843-post8.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15887843-post8.html</a>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15900164-post19.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/15900164-post19.html</a></p>
<p>You like it or not, the ranking is there, the web site hits from internationals are real. One will need to ask the whole world to avoid clicking on those school’s websites to change the result! High school students need to do more research. I’ll leave it at that.</p>
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<p>…wow, “desperate”? Kind of a wide generalization isn’t it? A common mistake of bright, overly confident, teens such as yourself is that they think that the only “right way” to think is like they do! Could it be that some students chose Cornell because they fall in love with the school & could care less that it plays in the Ivy Athletic league?</p>
<p>^Yes I went a little bit extreme there and I am sorry about that, but the fact that your pulling rankings from sites no one looks at that says Penn State has a stronger student body than Princeton is quite ridiculous. Look at what warblers said and you do the math. Honestly, people who go to great schools (Such as cornell) do not need to constantly defend it like you guys are. They would simply say its a good school with great opportunities. All I am saying is that you are fiddling with numbers, pulling out rankings that don’t even make sense (UMich better than Yale and Princeton…). Cornell is a great school but in my honest opinion it is the weakest of the Ivy League that is why it will never break the top ten. Cornell just cannot keep up with schools such as HYP. In fact Duke, MIT, and Stanford can keep up better than Cornell AND have great name recognition. Yes I am a high schooler and I may have come off a bit brash so I am sorry for that but my honest opinion is this;</p>
<p>HYP>Penn (Great in all programs, Medicine, Business, Law etc.)>Columbia (Holds its ground with rankings all around)>Dartmouth (Good business, amazing undergrad)>Brown (Simply cannot hold its ground in all rankings for majors that are in demand… still a great school)>Cornell (Why isn’t duke or stanford here?)</p>
<p>That is my opinion, not to be a know it all but most people would probably agree with the ranking of the ivies I just provided. Again Ivies are like the kind of schools that when you are accepted its hard to go to another elite school that you have been accepted to without debating the Ivy League status. Example, I think most people would agree if accepted at Harvard and Stanford it would be hard to choose between the two, unlike if you were accepted at Duke and Cornell you would choose Duke (At least from what I have seen) in a heartbeat. Cornell is a great school but will it ever break the top ten with the other 7 Ivy Leagues, Duke, Stanford, MIT, and Caltech around? Doubt it.</p>
<p>“800 is a rather arbitrary number. Why not 500? Or 100?”</p>
<p>Please read the link at the bottom of post #8 to get explanations. I don’t want to repeat.</p>
<p>CR
76% of Yale’s freshman class of 1355 is 1029
42% of Cornell’s freshman class of 3182 is 1336</p>
<p>M
80% of Yale is freshman class of 1355 is 1084
65% of Cornell’s freshman class of 3182 is 2068</p>
<p>Cornell have more students scored 700 in CR, more students scored 700 in Math. For the entire Yale class Cornell can cover it once (possibly with higher scores). Cornell is just bigger and from that point on can continue on to take more students. </p>
<p>I don’t see it hard to understand. It is just a different way to read the scores. Many prospective students are only looking at selectivity and that’s it, that’s a waste of available data.</p>
<p>^ Again Daswell, the ranking looks ridiculous and you cannot justify that Cornell and PSU are higher ranked/respected than Yale, Princeton and UPenn. It is absurd. You basically said Cornell has edge over Princeton?!? LOL when does Princeton and Cornell ever come in the same sentence?</p>
<p>“And looking at the lists, Cornell produced about three times as many Business founders and CEO’s as Yale did.”</p>
<p>So? Lets see… a few CEOs or Bill Clinton, William Howard Taft, Dick Cheney, Eli Whitney, Sam Morse, Paul Newman, Meryl Streep, Jodie Foster, Hilary Clinton, and Anderson Cooper… Hmm… Do you think the big CEOs are a household name? Or do you think Bill Clinton and Taft are household names? You think that one out. You think this is just pure numbers? I am talking about people who have changed the world not a few CEOs. You really think the Cuban President (Which you probably just looked up LOL cause no one knows that guy) has more influence than lets say the Clintons and the Bushes? </p>
<p>OH and BTW the CEO of Forbes (Where Cornell is ranked on Business) came from Princeton University.</p>
<p>As the world is more internationalized, changes are expected. Rank top 10 is not that hard once people understands selectivity is not everything. Besides, I can certainly see those who want to have international opportunities to choose Cornell over many other schools.</p>
<p>Yale and Princeton outrank Cornell any day, stop pulling up charts from 2005 that have no relevance to today. For you to say Cornell has an edge over Yale is very disappointing and in fact scary. I am not desperate to go to Yale at all, my mother went to Yale and I was very involved in the Community there while she attended. Yale gave me and my family opportunities I doubt Cornell could ever give. Please stop acting like I don’t know anything about these schools because I walk on these campuses and I know professors first hand. For you to say Cornell outranks Yale at all is hilarious, trust me I know Yale at the back of my hand and I don’t need to attend Yale to be successful (pointing out 300 CEOs from Cornell pfft, all I have to say is a few presidents, and political figures and the fight is over). Yale is a school that caters to what I want to major in which is History/English and from then on I later want to go on to Law School. It just happens this great school is an Ivy League and caters to my needs. Stop acting like I am an average CCer because I am not and I believe you will see that in years to come.</p>
<p>I am sure everyone internationally knows HYP is. Come on stop pulling out random facts you don’t even know.</p>