<p>Hey Everyone,</p>
<p>I was curious to hear your opinions and thoughts about upcoming rankings for Cornell in the next few years. Do any of you think that Cornell will break top 10 or 12? What do you predict the admit rate will be in the next few years? Dyson and Engineering are both impeccable as well as many other programs.</p>
<p>IMHO Cornell’s isolation has caused it to stay behind other universities of its class. Cornell could do better if it was around a semi-urban area where the climate or the location would not prevent students, faculty or companies from choosing Cornell.</p>
<p>You haven’t even gotten in yet, so what’s it to you?</p>
<p>For the record:</p>
<p>[The</a> 50 Best Colleges in America - Business Insider](<a href=“The 50 Best Colleges in America”>The 50 Best Colleges in America)</p>
<p>There’s also a lot of ways to manipulate rankings, so I don’t think it’s that big of a fuss.</p>
<p>The rankings don’t determine how good a school is.
Even worse, how good a school is doesn’t determine the rankings…</p>
<p>Why does it even matter?</p>
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<p>These “ratings” are heavily influenced by admit rate & average test scores. Cornell’s size and diversity of majors (motto of “any person, any study”), some of which lend themselves to taking students with “subpar Ivy league” test scores, are going to ensure that they never overtake the majority of colleges “ranked” ahead of them.</p>
<p>You never know. Since College Ranking business is aiming for making money, they need to change methodologies from time to time. </p>
<p>When people understand a little more of student body academic strength and freshman class size relation, and the ranking companies decide to use a different way to measure it, Cornell certainly is one of the tops.</p>
<p>Freshman student body SAT Strength 2012-2013
(the starting SAT score of these universities’ top 800 )</p>
<p>R#800 M#800 W#800 R+M</p>
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<p>740.00 780.00 -------- 1520 Cornell
757.19 755.75 761.47 1513 Harvard
744.99 766.49 756.49 1511 Penn
739.48 759.48 746.91 1499 Northwestern
737.85 757.85 -------- 1496 WUSTL
739.35 753.41 747.48 1493 Stanford
729.34 749.34 719.18 1479 Vanderbilt
735.29 739.70 -------- 1475 U.Chicago
732.01 735.60 738.81 1468 Yale
728.88 738.88 738.88 1468 Princeton
729.41 733.09 733.09 1463 Columbia
711.91 741.91 727.67 1454 Duke
679.65 745.79 689.65 1425 MIT
706.04 710.64 720.64 1417 Brown
670.77 693.85 680.77 1365 J.Hopkins
674.71 684.28 684.71 1359 Dartmouth
650.50 693.89 670.50 1344 Emory</p>
<p>In case you never read my explinations, read the second half of post #1 in this thread
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1530349-ivy-league-other-top-schools-student-body-academic-strength.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1530349-ivy-league-other-top-schools-student-body-academic-strength.html</a></p>
<p>rankings are not a proper way to determine which college you want to apply to. Besides, I think Cornell is actually better than those other schools ranked higher for taking people with lower tests scores because you simply cannot judge people on whether they’re great test takers or not. A great university has a diverse student body.</p>
<p>If any rankings are really going to be used to help prospective students decide on where to apply and which one to go (if corss-admitted), they should be ranked by categories.</p>
<p>Separate them out to rank faculty/alumni academic achievement, rank student body academic strenth, rank resources, rank the student satisfactory of campus enviroment, rank average salary, rank tuition/graduate staring salary, rank tuition/life-long income…etc. and let people decide what area they care the most. Lump everything together just wouldn’t mean anything anymore.</p>
<p>who cares? it’s #1 to the students who are there…isn’t that really the only thing that matters?</p>
<p>My alma mater was #1 the year I graduated. That plus a dollar will get me a sweet tea at McDonalds.</p>
<p>The OP’s question belies the shallow and simplistic nature of most of the public about “prestige” and perceptions. They have almost nothing to do with real life.</p>
<p>All college rankings are highly subjective. Cornell was just named the 13th best university in the world for the 3rd year in a row by the Academic Ranking of World Universities. Cornell was ranked 14th in the world in the annual QS World University rankings. None of these rankings are meaningful. They do sell magazines though.</p>
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<p>…and help generate alumni donations.</p>
<p>It’s sad that people really buy into these rankings. Sometimes I wish they did not exist and people would just choose a school based on what is best for them, as individuals.</p>
<p>This one already has Cornell on top ten:
[Top</a> 100 Universities in North America | 2013 World University Ranking](<a href=“http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/]Top”>http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/)</p>
<p>Just to show how rankings are different. (And I just realized the ranking in Saugus’ earlier post: Cornell is also on top 10 already)</p>
<p>Adding U. of Notre Dame to the list I had in post #8.</p>
<p>Freshman student body SAT Strength 2012-2013
(the starting SAT score of these universities’ top 800 )</p>
<p>R#800 M#800 W#800 R+M</p>
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<p>740.00 780.00 -------- 1520 Cornell
757.19 755.75 761.47 1513 Harvard
744.99 766.49 756.49 1511 Penn
739.48 759.48 746.91 1499 Northwestern
737.85 757.85 -------- 1496 WUSTL
739.35 753.41 747.48 1493 Stanford
729.34 749.34 719.18 1479 Vanderbilt
735.29 739.70 -------- 1475 U.Chicago
732.01 735.60 738.81 1468 Yale
728.88 738.88 738.88 1468 Princeton
722.60 742.60 -------- 1465 U Notre Dame
729.41 733.09 733.09 1463 Columbia
711.91 741.91 727.67 1454 Duke
679.65 745.79 689.65 1425 MIT
706.04 710.64 720.64 1417 Brown
670.77 693.85 680.77 1365 J.Hopkins
674.71 684.28 684.71 1359 Dartmouth
650.50 693.89 670.50 1344 Emory</p>
<p>It was ranked higher than stanford for international universities…If you even care.
Rankings don’t mean anything when it comes to academics. The only reason you would care is if your goal in life is to put a harvard sticker on your car and proceed to live the rest of your life with your head in the sand</p>
<p>Break the top ten nationally? Eh… maybe… I don’t think Cornell will ever beat;</p>
<p>Harvard (Who beats Harvard anyways…?)
Princeton
Yale
MIT
Stanford
Duke
Caltech
Dartmouth
UPenn
Hopkins</p>
<p>Brown, Notre Dame, and UC Berkeley are comparable. I doubt Cornell can break the top ten though. I know I am going to get a lot of negative responses because I put Hopkins and Dartmouth ahead of Cornell but I just think thats how it is. Cornell is still a great school but it ever coming close to HYPMS overall I doubt it. I really think Duke would fit in better to the Ivy League than Cornell really… But thats just my opinion. It is just a sports league after all.</p>
<p>I didn’t know Cornell was NOT in the top 10. I’ve heard of them for engineering (plus they’re an Ivy), so I thought they must be top 10.</p>