<p>calmom: I agree with your last post and it is what I have been trying to point out all along. Using just he SAT stats might give any particular student the idea that at he/she might have a certain chance of getting into an Ivy. The reality is for some 2400 scorers the odds may be less than 1 in 10 and for another 9 in 10. I have seen students from both sets. Although a high score may be helpful it is not sufficent to determine individual odds. Geography, number of top scorers from a particular school, essay, EC and distinguishing characteristics must be consideredc An Intel winner, Math Olympian, from a rural Montana school might almost be a certainty whereas an AP scholar who did research and attended TJ could be a long shot. Had a student a couple years ago, with perfect ACT,SAT,PSAT. 14 AP's all 5's. Musician etc. I predicted student would get waitlisted at HYPS and did. Another with a bit lower scores but an incredible music hook in addition to some other unique EC's plus good courses appeared to be a shoe in and was.</p>