<p>Student body at a high caliber university matters a lot. I'd rather be at a school with a majority of peers at the same level/higher level of intellectual capacity.</p>
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<p>Never said that...But, I won't EVER say that it's all that matters, or that it's the most important matter either. What name your school has only matters if:</p>
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<li>You have absolutely no valuable contacts in the working world.</li>
<li>You want to go to graduate school and have learned that the program you are looking into has certain requirements that only certain schools can fulfill.</li>
<li>You've been babied all your life, and by the time you're 24, the only leg you will have to stand on is the name of the school you go to, because you never learned how to handle the "real world".</li>
<li>You want to be some high ranking political official (like President of the US).</li>
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<p>None of the above apply to myself, so to me, the name on the school doesn't matter. The VP of IT at my company--the guy who made the decision to hire me--has even told me that what school name is on the diploma really doesn't affect the hiring process as much as the experience/interview/possible connections within the company do.</p>
<p>Oh, and "high calibur university" means what? Who determines that? USNWR? I think my state has 3 high calibur universities and a high calibur masters college, but USNWR hasn't stated it...do I/should I care?</p>
<p>There you have it. It's not all that matters, or the most important matter either. But as another user puts it, he'd be lying if a degree from a top name school doesn't bear advantages over a degree from a lesser known state school. Your posts seem to resonate a sense that it doesn't matter at all or bears an insignificant amount, IMO. Obviously if a graduate has connections he would bypass the step of finding jobs like you have said, however.</p>
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<p>You do not need to care nor do you have the ability to decide. Companies such as Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch, for example, will only visit colleges on their list of top colleges for on-campus recruiting, and it's up to them to determine which colleges constitutes being top. It's also not up to you to decide whether this is a problem of bad business practice.</p>
<p>LOL, i've already worked for Morgan Stanley...pleh...no more of that crap...what a joke.</p>
<p>I work for a company that is much more financially sound, and many years older than Morgan Stanley or Merrill Lynch (the crooked executive company). Here's the website: <a href="http://www.swire.com%5B/url%5D">www.swire.com</a> </p>
<p>Plus, plenty of companies recruit at my school, it's like non-stop...(I don't go to a "big name" school either-- Westminster College of SLC, Utah <a href="http://www.wcslc.edu%5B/url%5D">www.wcslc.edu</a>).</p>
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By the way, I am employed full time in an Information Systems position, while I am going to school full time, maintaining a 3.8 GPA, and studying Accounting/Information Systems (my current job is GREAT experience to go along with my major of choice). Thus, I'm not so worried about the "job prospects" upon graduating, because I work for a solid company, headquartered in Hong Kong and doing over a billion in revenue each year in 5 different industry sectors.
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<p>From <a href="http://www.swire.com%5B/url%5D">www.swire.com</a>
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Founded in Liverpool, England in 1816, the group's privately-owned parent company, John Swire & Sons Limited, is headquartered in London.
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<p>Pretty slick. Thanks for the good laughs from this and other posts. LOL, what jokes.</p>
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<p>Your point? Companies go to universities to recruit, everyone knows that. I have said before and many others, top companies such as Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch will not go some lesser known university for on-campus recruiting.</p>
<p>Obviously you don't do much research, or you just don't have a very inquisitive mind, who knows? Here's something that is also from <a href="http://www.swire.com%5B/url%5D">www.swire.com</a>, but it takes a little more, just one paragraph down, to find:</p>
<p>"The Swire group's core businesses in Hong Kong are held by the publicly-quoted Swire Pacific Limited, which is organised into five divisions: Property, Aviation, Beverages, Marine Services and Trading & Industrial."</p>
<p>Is it possible that I work for Swire Pacific Limited? Which is headquartered in Hong Kong? </p>
<p>Thank you for the laughs, genius! I think I might know a little about the company I am employed by!</p>
<p>Sorry about that, I should have taken more time than simply taking a few seconds to look at the homepage (more specifically, only skimming first two paragraphs on the right side).</p>
<p>Good luck on your endeavors and experience at Westminster College of SLC, Utah.</p>
<p>Also, I would love to hear about your experience at Morgan Stanley :)</p>
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<p>I'm well aware of the 150 hour requirement, but stand by my statement. A masters degree is NOT required. Period.</p>
<p>It is interesting in reading through this thread the focus on $'s and I banking as a way to make $'s. If in fact Ibanks hire the best of the best, why is it that the Ibanks are also dragging the American Corporation into a hole. It appears to me that if these supposed brilliant people were as smart as this thread discusses they would change the system to focus more on long term quality and less on Qtr. to Qtr. growth. I will take the less arrogant, hard working smart person who will listen and learn than the best of the best when it comes to business.</p>
<p>^ interesting comment, griff311</p>
<p>go578, you said that Bill Gates is a good example of someone who didn't go to a big school. True, he dropped out of college, but he dropped out of Harvard, I think.</p>
<p>Yeah he did, but he's not your typical high-achieving high school student most posts here are discussing, I think.</p>
<p>Why do ppl care about money so much? Honestly. If you can feed, clothe, and shelter yourself, you have enough money. I know its a bit off topic, but I find it funny the people that pursue money all their life to wake up when they're 60, 70 years old and realize "What the hell did I just do with my life?"</p>
<p>Who really cares about the starting salary of your job, as long as you love what you do. And if you somehow think more money will help you attract a mate, you're probably getting together for the wrong reasons.</p>
<p>That's my two cents.</p>
<p>Right on, 'boy!</p>
<p>Patriotboy, different people have different priorities...lol</p>
<p>Agree, patriotboy!! But then again, money does make some people (mine) world go around :)</p>
<p>Well, some people's parents aren't paying for college so they can not earn money - I agree that a high salary shouldn't be the only thing though, otherwise that makes for very depressed people in general.</p>
<p>It depends on your future goals. </p>
<p>If you want to go to law or med school, then name doesn't matter too much. If you want to work in finance or on Wall St, then name plays a huge role. Grad school? Name is important but in a different way and it gets more complicated. A job in some random industry? It depends on the individual company and its specific hiring practices. </p>
<p>There are a few studies showing that people who turned down prestigious schools to attend lesser-known ones make the same amount of money on average as their Ivy counterparts. Money is only one factor that comprises the vague concept of "success" but it indicates that in the end, it comes down to personal talent. However, I would guess that although the end result is the same, the paths travelled are different and in some respects probably easier for the graduate from the prestigious school.</p>
<p>I'd rather go to a small LAC for undergraduate school than a large university. It is all about where I'd be happiest.</p>