<p>I was just thinking today, California has some of the top universities in the country. And I think we have the most abundant amount of top 50 universities including some top 10.</p>
<p>Stanford
Cal Tech
Clairmount Colleges
USC
UCLA
Cal
Rest of UC system</p>
<p>what other state is comparable?</p>
<p>Wow.
The east coast, especially Boston is pretty strong with universities as well.
MIT, Harvard, Carnegie Mellon, UPenn, Columbia, Wesleyan, Cornell, Yale, Princeton, and the list just keeps going.</p>
<p>By the way, I don’t think the rest of the UC schools are in the top 50.</p>
<p>I’m not saying west coast vs east coast though. I’m saying specifically 1 state. and all the Uc’s except for riverside and merced/santa cruis are top 50. hmm</p>
<p>CA is the largest state (population wise), so it makes sense there will be more universities in the state, and more universities means more prestigeous universities.</p>
<p>Nope, calculate the population of New England vs the population of Cali, its pretty much the same and New England has many many more top 30s per capita then any other area on earth.</p>
<p>Massachusetts has several well known universities and well endowed/ranked liberal arts colleges:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Boston University.</li>
<li>Boston College</li>
<li>Tufts University</li>
<li>Wellesley College (Hillary Clinton)</li>
<li>Amherst College</li>
<li>Williams College</li>
<li>Smith College</li>
</ol>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p>once again, I’m talking specifically states, New england consist of like 5 states no?</p>
<p>so California vs Massachusets, what has it?</p>
<p>California</p>
<p>Standford / Harvard pretty much cancel eachother out
Cal Tech / MIT pretty much cancel eachother out</p>
<p>Now we also have CAL/USC/UCLA
and our liberal arts colleges are pretty damn good to no?</p>
<p>For its size Massachusetts probably has the best private colleges and Universities in the country:
Harvard University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Boston University
Tufts University
Boston College
Amherst College
Williams College
Brandeis University</p>
<p>On the other hand, as far as public universities go, the University of Massachusetts is not nearly as highly regarded as some of the UCs and CSUs such as UC Berkeley, UCLA and Cal Poly SLO. Massachusetts is a very affluent state where many families can afford private schools so UMass probably has difficulty competing for the best students in the commonwealth with the many highly ranked private schools there.</p>
<p>Massachusetts: population apx 6 million
Top ten Universities in Mass: 2
Top ten U per capita: 1 for every 3 million
Cali Population: Apx 40 Million
Top ten Universities in Cali: 1
Top ten U per capita: 1 for every 40 Million</p>
<p>It’s an unfair comparison because California is so large, while New England is split into several states. New England has more good schools than California (though probably just barely). However, California is the best value thanks to the UC system.</p>
<p>From the title of this thread I thought the question would be “Does any state have a better public higher education system than California?” The answer to that is clearly no, but some states have specific campuses that are better than some UCs. University of Virginia and UNC-Chapel Hill come to mind.</p>
<p>^^^
Look up the thread that was posted in the parents forum, tution for the UCs will rise significantly due to budget problems. Many middle class families it is a better value to send kids to a NE private school with merit scholarship/aid.</p>
<p>@ivygolfer</p>
<p>Why stop at the top ten? I suspect if you consider the top fifty (including liberal arts colleges, not just research universities), California would have far more good schools than the M@ssholes.</p>
<p>isn’t that statistic wrong? California has both Stanford and Cal tech, both are top 10.
Also berkeley is top 10 for gard schools isn’t it?</p>
<p>I know its unfair to compare because of sizes and such, but overall wouldnt you say Cali tops the list? for most amount of universities in the top 50?</p>
<p>^^^That’s Gov. Brown trying to scare California into voting for further tax increases. The problem isn’t in higher education spending or in overall state revenues, but in the salaries and benefits of state employees and teachers. He can’t exactly threaten to cut the salaries and benefits of union workers, even setting aside the collective bargaining issues. </p>
<p>The problem is that Californians wouldn’t care. “Oh, so if we don’t raise taxes, you’ll need union workers to accept the same quality of benefits I have in the private sector? You may need some layoffs, since the government hasn’t laid off any employees during this recession? And you want me to give you more money so this doesn’t happen? Ha!” And, of course, the unions largely funded Gov. Brown’s campaign.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to UC: every tuition increase so far has increased financial aid for the middle class. If it suddenly doubled, I expect financial aid would again increase along with it. Right now students of families making less than $80,000 do not pay any UC tuition. If tuition was doubled, but no student from a family making $120,000 or less paid tuition, would that be such a bad deal?</p>
<p>As I’ve talked about previously, California is moving toward a highly progressive tuition system. The rich will pay far more than they do now, but far less than they would at a private university, and the lower and middle classes go for free. The government kicks in a little extra to balance things out.</p>
<p>We have the best state schools, and a few top private schools (Stanford Caltech).</p>
<p>But more importantly California is just a way better place to live.</p>
<p>We definitely have the best public university state system. Like someone else said, all UCs except Riverside, Santa Cruz and Merced, are ranked in the top 50 national universities in the nation by USNews: [National</a> University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp+50)</p>
<p>As a result, California residents definitely have a larger number of good public school options. Other states have good flagships, but the rest of their public university system is not that great. For example, Virginia, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. </p>
<p>We don’t have that many great private schools though. Stanford and Caltech are the only two “private national universities” in California in the top 50. We have a few good liberal arts college, but not nearly as much as the east coast.</p>
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<p>considering that the U.S. developed from the east to the west, it’s pretty damn impressive that our schools, being several hundred years younger than east coast schools, are on the same tier/better than them.</p>
<p>the fact that our public schools are better than some of your privates only shows how amazing our public schools are, and how crappy your private ones are. Both UCLA and Cal are ranked higher than tufts, brandeis, and BC; and all of the aforementioned schools are barely better than UCSD.</p>
<p>as far as caltech goes, a recent study of it showed that caltech had the highest ROI of any school in the country (yes, higher than both hardvard and MIT); it’s also no surprise that stanford is gunning for harvard, and considering that it’s endowment is already higher than yale’s (and i soon expect it to pass princeton’s) i see this as a very real possibility.</p>
<p>additionally, i don’t think there’s any better liberal arts school system than the claremont colleges. Harvey mudd and both Pomona are very famous and highly ranked.</p>
<p>california has amazing schools because it’s an amazing place to live; that’s why even though our schools have only been around for a short time, they’ve all thrived.</p>
<p>look at every other public uni system, and most of their other unis suck. If you look at UT, all they have is austin; if you look at Michigan, all they have is ann-arbor; if you look at UVA, all they have is charlottesville; all purdue has is their flagship. The UCs on the other hand have like 6 of their 9 campuses that are in the top 50. </p>
<p>so yes, california DOES have the best schools of any state, PERIOD (and for the last time, new england isn’t a state >.>)</p>
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USC is up there too.</p>
<p>first: where is new england coming from? I thought this was about states.</p>
<p>Second: this is the third thread i’ve seen today saying gov. brown wants a tax increase…I know this isnt a political thread but its just irritating that people think that when all he wants is a tax extension (not the same thing).</p>
<p>don’t forget that UCSB, UCI, UCD are all top 50, and UCSF is top 3 med school. Considering that they were all started so recently, our education system is pretty beastly. In addition Cali weather>NE weather just for funsies</p>