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Did we go to the same community college, by any chance? I go to one of the best in my state… You probably didn’t. You also probably took US history or some other BS class over the summer. Hell, you’re probably the expert on community colleges nation-wide!</p>
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<p>Exactly who are you referring to? </p>
<p>More importantly, do you endorse my proposal or not?</p>
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<p>Uh, now I have to say: how dare *you[/] for accusing me of accusing you of using community college courses to escape weeders. In fact, I specifically stated that you did not. </p>
<p>What I said is that we have a system that allows community college students - however unintentionally - to skip weeders. But the intent is irrelevant. Unintended unfairness is still unfair. </p>
<p>Let me turn the entire dynamic around. Let’s say that tomorrow, Berkeley decided that every freshman-admit no longer has to take any weeders whatsoever (not even via a community college equivalent). But the transfer students would still need to do so. That would clearly be an unfair advantage for the freshman-admits, as now the transfer students would be forced to complete coursework that the freshman admits are not forced to do. Note, it would be inadvertent unfairness from the point of view of the freshman admits, as they never asked for that advantage. But it would still be unfair. And surely the transfer students would be crying foul, and rightfully so; I would champion their side of the argument.</p>
<p>The problem is with the system; it is the system that needs reform. It doesn’t matter whether somebody deliberately takes advantage of a loophole, what matters is that a loophole exists and some people are benefiting from it, however unintentionally.</p>
<p>I was referring to calfootball2012 and afc10ns. I don’t endorse your idea though, sorry.</p>
<p>Ugh, once again:</p>
<p>"I find it interesting indeed that you refuse to endorse this proposal. Frankly, it seems to me that you discovered you were given an unfair get-out-of-weeders-free card (even if you never asked for it), and having discovered that, you don’t want the frosh to have it. You want to maintain your unfair edge.</p>
<p>If that’s the case, then I think the fair thing to do is simply admit that this is your strategy. There have been other posters who have admitted that this is exactly what they’re doing, and that they (somehow) deserve that unfair advantage. While I vehemently disagree with that stance, I do give them credit for being honest about their true intentions."</p>
<p>I dared, I guess.</p>
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<p>discovered -Verb - Find (something or someone) unexpectedly or in the course of a search.</p>
<p>Apparently Cal doesn’t reach good CR skills. Read the second paragraph? Also, yes, I discovered “weeders” while reading this thread, but I started community college before I read this thread so no, that is not my “strategy”.</p>
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<p>Read with the first paragraph, your “strategy” is that you are defending the unfair path, not that you intentionally went to cc with the objective of skipping weeders.</p>
<p>It seems like you don’t understand so let me say it plainly:</p>
<p>No one (including you) believes that you had the mental fortitude to go to community college and exploit this unfair loophole. You went there out of circumstance, now that you have **discovered **it (see my previous post for a definition) your prerogative is to defend the loophole and your *strategy *is to legitimize the unfair advantage by saying you deserve it.</p>
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<p>Oh…and next time you want to criticize someone’s English skills, try to spell and use punctuation properly.</p>
<p>(although that might be hard with the 4th grade reading level)</p>
<p>By following this thread for some time (I’m a Berkeley transfer hopeful, you see) I feel like you, sakky, could end world hunger if you directed your passion from the unfairness of hard classes into a slightly more meaningful pursuit.
bazicallie, yew arr varie $martt, nd i lurve yer d3bAtin skyllz.</p>
<p>I’m not taking this thread personal at all, because A. sak has a point, it is unfair, and B. If I get into Berkeley, I’m not going to care if there are a bunch of freshman admits standing infront of my classes with pitchforks and burning torches, 'cuz I’M STILL GOING. Jealous peeps guna hate, it’s inevitable. </p>
<p>And sak, if you can get them to administer those transfer tests, I’ll be the first in line to take them. I also want to know if I’m up for the Berkeley challenge. </p>
<p>carry on, lovers.</p>
<p>It was clearly a typo since I’m on my phone. I’m sorry your arguments are so illogical that you have to sink that low–and I have better things to do than proofread a post on college confidential. Fourth grade reading level, huh? You really want to get down and dirty instead of having a real point? Go you! Maybe the people on this thread should be noting that there is obviously a loophole in Cal’s freshman admissions if they allow such imbeciles to attend their institution. I guess they do need fillers for their football team? As to your point before, I was saying that that is not my “strategy”… Maybe you should spend more time thinking about what I’m actually saying before you attack me.</p>
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<p>You seem sure that we just sit down and go “yeah, Tosca shows Puccini’s genius and his ridicule of religion is blah blah blah”. I dare you to take an advanced harmony or musicianship class and come back and tell me that the work is not “academically rigorous”. I’ll agree that a lot of the work that we do is POINTLESS, but it is definitely a challenge. My word, how you can allow yourself to make such an ignorant comment is beyond me. </p>
<p>Like many have said, if you are really angry do something about it. Hiding behind a computer desk and going “yeah this is unfair. transfer students are dumb.” isn’t going to have any substantial effect other than the cluster**** that has resulted here. Based on these responses, I am fairly certain that if you were to pass out fliers in Sproul plaza you would get some attention. I would even personally come help you, because I agree with you to some extent. </p>
<p>What I dont understand, is that those of you who have been complaining knew about the benefits of a community college (or maybe not, many high school teachers tend to condemn CCs) so then why say these things now? If CC classes were so pathetically easy, why didn’t you just go to a community college for two years (1 1/2 if you were an ace student) and transfer? I’m sure if you were good enough to get into Cal out of high school you would have been good enough transferring from a CC. Plus you would not have had to done all of those hard weeder classes at Cal. I mean there has to be some reason other than “the college experience”.</p>
<p>Sakky, I think you’re thinking too highly of yourself. Both my parents work in the college community. One is a Biology professor at UCSC, and the other is a counselor at Santa Clara University. I’ve shown them what you’ve been posting and they scolded me for even wasting my time with people such as yourself. They both studied at a Community College before going on to a four year University, and they both agree that those who choose to complete their first two years at a CC are far better off than those who start off at a University as freshmen. The Biology professor (my mother) says that the freshmen have more difficulties with her class than do the transfers. She says that those who have achieved high scores in her upper-level classes are mostly Transfers, “there’s something about them that suggests they take things more calmly than do my other students.” The counselor (my father) says that starting off as a Freshmen at universities should only be for those who have the money, because he sees no reason why one would waste their money on a UC education for the first two years when that same education is offered at a CC for much less. Just think about this: both my parents…BOTH MY PARENTS work at Universities, which suggest they make quite a bit of money. They denied to pay for my applications for a four year university during my senior year in high school, and said my only option was to go to a CC before. When I asked why, they replied with “you’d be better off, more relaxed at a CC, taking the same classes, than at a UC or Private taking the same classes, but with a more hectic environment.” I thank them so much for giving me that opportunity!</p>
<p>You are absolutely no better than Transfers.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-merced/498875-omg-youre-going-uc-merced-5.html#post1064621985[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-merced/498875-omg-youre-going-uc-merced-5.html#post1064621985</a></p>
<p>let’s play back some of the greatest hits shall we…</p>
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<p>Man, you guys sound like little children grasping at straws and nitpicking anything remotely tangible to cause a fuss. This thread shames my alma mater. </p>
<p>My hypothesis is that you guys are too young to drink, so you go down to the computer rooms in whatever unit you’re in and act a fool.</p>
<p>Oh my! Assuming things about me eh? Notice how I didn’t assume anything about you. Well anyways, going beyond my personal experience at one of the best community colleges in my state (graduates have been known to transfer to the likes of Yale and MIT), no community college comes remotely close to having the academic rigor of a university like Berkeley. I’m not saying that ALL cc students are untalented, because that is most certainly not true, but academic rigor? Difficulty of classes? Ability of student body? Berkeley outclasses any community college.</p>
<p>I’m mildly interested in this argument, but don’t want to read through tons of posts. Can somebody give a summary of the opposing opinions so far?</p>
<p>I’m sure somebody has made this point already, but aside from academic considerations of transferring from CC or going straight to UC, I would pick UC just for the better experience (assuming money was not an issue.)</p>
<p>@quemsabeofutoro: You just got pwned so badly I would be impressed if you made another post. Anyway, even if your story is true, your parents can’t say that transferring from CC is better overall if they didn’t go to a UC themselves. How would they make the comparison?</p>
<p>@Coolwhipp: Almost all your posts in this thread have been about how there’s no purpose to this thread. Just because people can’t cause change doesn’t mean they can’t have a serious discussion about it. Otherwise, why would anyone bother talking about the economy?</p>
<p>Because none of these topics are productive. 40 pages of pure ****. And this is hardly an intelligent discussion, you can’t count the number of personal attacks in this thread. There’s just too many. People need to criticize relevant ideas, not character, post history, or grammatical errors. That’s just childish. </p>
<p>The same ideas are just being reiterated with no real added value. Would you, Liquidus, like to contribute anything new? No you’re just lazy and don’t want to read.</p>
<p>Although there may be a lot of problems with people’s discussion in this thread, I wouldn’t go so far as to say that none of it is relevant. Poor arguments are to be expected from an online forum. It’s too bad we can’t have some kind of moderator.</p>
<p>I don’t think that I could be called “lazy” for not wanting to go through several pages of a topic that has only “mild” interest to me, as I said. Not only that, there’s no need or responsibility for me to care about this topic at all, so I think my reluctance to do so is understandable, and not “laziness.”</p>