<p>Others might argue that it is morally irresponsible to keep those ideas to yourself (though i think this discussion is not analogous to the topics you mentioned).</p>
<p>There is no way to prove that the OP’s opinion is right or wrong. Therefore this whole thread is futile. The OP has symptoms of an apparent lack of remorse or empathy for others, likely caused by an insecurity of oneself. It is not his fault, because the ego automatically implements such tactics in order to protect itself. He would likely benefit from an 5-ht1a antagonist due to its effects on nmda receptors in the frontal cortex.</p>
<p>It’s impossible to prove any opinion right or wrong; people, being people, will always find a way to rationalize any evidence that disagrees with strongly held beliefs of theirs.</p>
<p>It could anonymous, it could. It would have to be a well-designed test though. I’ve been an advocate of such of thing myself.</p>
<p>The SAT, SAT II and high school GPA can correlate with the wrong things when it comes to long term skills necessary for college, unless it was an insane high school.</p>
<p>strong dumbasses in this topic</p>
<p>@anonymousername
Thank you very much^^</p>
<p>Yes I took the ACS exam. It wasn’t hard but answering 70 questions in a strictly enforced 55 minute time frame becomes a “beat the clock” deal.</p>
<p>And to just outright say that the test doesn’t exist because “it just doesn’t” without really knowing is a bit strange^^
Its all good. I look forward to my future at UCB. BTW I got accepted as a freshman lol but my parents made too much for me to get any real financial aid and they didn’t want to take out loans. So I bided my time working and gaining experience while attending cc until becoming an Independent.</p>
<p>Okay you got in as a freshman? Then you are obviously not who this thread is aimed at, you don’t need to be defensive. It’s only the people who were much below the level to be accepted to Berkeley or the other higher UCs, but figured they’d game the system and go to community college JUST so they could transfer later who make it unfair. And they’re not getting that much out of being here for two years anyway except the Berkeley degree. Maybe all the transfers you guys know were not part of that category, but as I said, I live right next to the community college that prides itself on it’s UC transfer rate and I know that basically none of them are doing the CC-transfer thing for financial or other personal reasons - it’s just a decision between UCSC or 4.0 at CC/Berkeley.</p>
<p>Really…are the majority of you guys like this? Whiny about prestige and the fact that everyone that studies at Berkeley isn’t a genius? I sure don’t see any threads like this in the UCLA forum.</p>
<p>Now, I agree with the central point: community college admissions is probably a bit too easy. All the bashing in here though is ridiculous…not to mention this thread was posted the same day that transfer admissions were posted. Real friendly welcoming party.</p>
<p>Now in the name of playing Devil’s Advocate: I’ve taken a few classes at community college and a whole lot at UC Riverside. The difference in difficulty was insane. Programming classes at UCR took about 10x as much work, creativity, and time as the programming classes at community college. I do have to doubt that community college students are as academically prepared. However, this is a problem with community colleges…not the students that go there. They’re doing what they can. If it turns out they weren’t cut out for Berkeley, then they’ll flunk out and so be it (or just get bad grades which should help the curves in your classes).</p>
<p>I am a newly admitted transfer student. I barely got by in high school, came from a lower class background, and grew up in a broken home. Life has been tough for me but I do not regret any of my mistakes or experiences, especially those that I had while attending community college. What many of you need to realize is that just because you grew up in a household that valued higher education and provided you with the support that is necessary to attain academic achievement does not necessarily make you intellectually superior to those who were less fortunate. Neither does physical appearance nor does one’s ideas and attitudes dictate one’s superiority.</p>
<p>I am honestly not discouraged by the arrogant attitudes expressed in this discussion. Rather, I am more motivated than ever to out class you people in every way possible once I get to Berkeley in the Fall. You all can take that and shove it!</p>
<p>there was a bit of a stats fail a few pages back, taking a voluntary response poll on an obscure website as a representative sample of the general population = fail. that said, my experience in the general population was that almost nobody cared at all, with the exception of some transfers had the whole me against the world thing going on. personally, i was a spring admit and i can vouch that the only people that cared about that were the spring admits. but take all that for what it’s worth, there’s way too much generalization going on in this thread already.</p>
<p>You make it seem like every freshman admit grew up with a silver spoon. Both my parents were immigrant and had to work in the fields. We lived in poverty and a crime infested city. Many people didn’t even think I was going to graduate high school, but I didn’t use this as an excuse to do poorly in high school. I worked myself in APs that were graded on curves and graduated with a 4.3. VERY few people who went to CC did so because they could not afford Berkeley. Most people that got into Berkeley either went there or went to another UC. Rich, poor, or in the middle, people who could get into a UCs went there and didn’t even bother with CC.</p>
<p>Well, I am still a transfer lol. I think it is a little harsh though to say that transfer students, in general, aren’t prepared for Berkeley. Trust me, transfers get rejected from UCB. Most of us who got in had GPAs between 3.7-4.0 (no such thing as weighted grades in most cc). Some had lower GPAs, but if I recall, some freshman get in with lower than average GPAs as well (damned good essay, perhaps?).</p>
<p>Many of my transfer brethren didn’t have the advantage of parental support growing up (not just financial, I mean enforcing homework, attending ec’s, encouraging them to do better, etc.) but matured and did well at cc. Some transfers did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and experienced things you will never experience or could ever imagine. Some people experience severe hardship and claw their way out depression, homelesness, domestic violence, etc. and decide to change their lives. So maybe their lower division courses weren’t as rigorous as those at Berkeley. Their lives and experiences, more than make up for it.</p>
<p>As for those “bucking the system” and using the community colleges to get into a UC. . .well that was the original purpose of the community college system anyway. I believe the business world describes these students as “savvy” since the family/student saves a lot of money and the student becomes more academically mature before heading into the 4 year institution.</p>
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To become an independent under FAFSA, you must be at least 24 by 12/31/2010. So are you telling us that you have spent 7 years after high school working and gaining experience while attending cc?
And this is becasue your parents made too much money?</p>
<p>Whatever, I agree that this will go nowhere. Congrats transfers on making it in, you did beat out a lot of people to get in, and you do get to graduate with a Berkeley degree. Just don’t expect everyone to think it’s fair.</p>
<p>(Anyone else think this argument resembles the Arizona immigration law debate quite a lot? lol)</p>
<p>A lot of things happened in my life. Let us just say that I’ve racked up a helluva lot of life points on my road to education 
There are ways of becoming independent before the age of 24. Once you join the military, marriage, having a child, etc. </p>
<p>Can’t think so linear ^^</p>
<p>And yes this is a back and forth thing going nowhere. I am tired as is everyone else, probably. I bid you all goodnight and I wish everyone the best of luck at Berkeley. Let’s all work hard, transfer students and 4 year students :)</p>
<p>damn calbear, i’m impressed</p>
<p>Someone I knew personally in high school was accepted to every UC she applied to including UCLA, but couldn’t go in the end because she had to stay close to home to take care of her 4 younger siblings. Another student I knew went to CC because his parents wanted him to stay local and it was inexpensive.</p>
<p>Having some disadvantage in life doesn’t grant you the right to disregard other people’s situations.</p>
<p>@ cavalier: Exactly. </p>
<p>@ calbear2012: While I’m deeply impressed and moved by your experience, your situation of success is the exception. Statistically, you really did beat the odds. Actually, you killed them. However, everyone has endured a different situation. Multi-factorial influence has led us to Berkeley (whether through freshman or transfer admissions). While I agree that many students that get into the UC’s as freshman choose to attend, not all have the opportunity based on the situational context to attend. Cavilier points out examples of this.</p>
<p>@cavilier: I think that maybe growing up poor, having both my parents diagnosed with cancer, issues with my sexuality and being put down for being an immigrant that didn’t speak english was more than “some disadvantage.”</p>
<p>@emil: I may be an exception, but from looking at transfers many that have experiences equal or greater than mine seem to be just as rare. Heck my parents were extremely against me going to Berkeley after asking for $100 for the SIR, telling me that it was to expensive, but I knew I I had to go. What I am trying to say is that transfers are often given the pity card in that they didn’t have an equal opportunity when in fact many did, but they choose not to act on it. Many just saw an easy way out by going to CC and would rather party or not care in HS.</p>
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<p>What evidence is there that Berkeley considers your personal background deeply before admitting you? </p>
<p>I see people from the same high schools AND community colleges with higher GPAs getting into Berkeley with less difficult coursework, and with family background that is almost identical. I’ve found decisions of dubious quality made. </p>
<p>Transfers can be wonderful, but it doesn’t mean that admissions is rewarding the right people, transfer or freshmen, for the right reasons.</p>
<p>I think implicit to the question of this thread is the burden of whom to admit, it is not claiming that transfers cannot mature and become superqualified to attend Berkeley with some extra years of study.</p>