Does anyone know the Price/dues for joining the Eating Clubs?

<p>I do not know the cost of laundry service (my daughter does her own laundry) or weekend trips or club-specific eating cost fees. Most alumni would not know these costs--contrary to what you might think, we don't have secret lists of student costs that we keep to ourselves. If you are really interested, you could find out the exact costs by emailing the university or the clubs.</p>

<p>The reason why I doubt your sincerity is because you have made several posts referring to the supposed elitism and feminist leanings of Princeton and your words indicate a bias against the University. I think that you are completely wrong in your views of Princeton as a place that is somehow uncomfortable for those who are not wealthy. Princeton is a wonderful school, and students on financial aid are not segregated, nor do they feel uncomfortable on campus. The majority of students receive some form of aid and Princeton, as you well know, is one of the few schools that has replaced loans with grants that do not need to be repaid. This year, Princeton has given additional financial aid to cover the costs of eating in the clubs, so that all students will be able to join clubs without financial hardship. </p>

<p>The mood on campus for all students is extremely welcoming and I frankly think that your biased and somewhat inflammatory comments suggest that you are ignorant of life on Princeton's campus and have a rather large chip on your shoulder.</p>

<p>people have answered your questions several times. The costs are in line with what was posted about, usually somewhere in the $7000 range. The legacy kids would have no better idea of the cost, as I would assume that the cost would have increased a lot in the last 20 or so years since their parents were last in school. There is no exact listing of all of the pricing for all of the clubs, however if yo uwere to email the presidents of each of the clubs, they MIGHT tell you. But these things change every year, so really a general sense is jsut as useful</p>

<p>"I do not know the cost of laundry service (my daughter does her own laundry) or weekend trips or club-specific eating cost fees. Most alumni would not know these costs--contrary to what you might think, we don't have secret lists of student costs that we keep to ourselves. If you are really interested, you could find out the exact costs by emailing the university or the clubs."
Agreed there is alot about daily life that alums dont know including Eating Club costs.</p>

<p>"There is no exact listing of all of the pricing for all of the clubs, however if yo uwere to email the presidents of each of the clubs, they MIGHT tell you. But these things change every year, so really a general sense is jsut as useful" </p>

<p>Simple questions about club life, politics, and the role of women in leadership obviously make you very nervous. No need to attack me you are really overreacting. The town is a beautiful little town, the campus is lovely, you have just erected the prettiest castle as a dorm and Princeton is rated number 1 by a magazine which gets plenty of attention- why do you pounce when the question is not perfectly scripted to suit your tastes? I will try to find the prices of the Clubs on my own to share with interested applicants since these dues and initiations are not a secret though they appear unavailable at the moment.</p>

<p>We TOLD you the prices - on average.</p>

<p>And I have to comment. The likelihood that Princeton, that ANY organization, is both feminist and elitist, is pretty much nil. You are too young to know this perhaps, but those of us in our fifties who count ourselves feminists have been excluded from far too many parties and have had to fight far too hard for power to ever even think of promoting an elitist environment.</p>

<p>We know if you want excellence you open the door not close it.</p>

<p>Coffee - we understand you as a troll on the Princeton board. For whatever reason, this board over the years has been one of the most friendly, most united groups. So when someone shows a pattern of obviously or deviously making Princeton out to be something that it's not, we call that person on their actions.</p>

<p>As I have said, I don't like the eating clubs. Not my style. But there is much more to do at Princeton than join an eating club. I joined one of the most exclusive. I didn't like it. I quit. I spent my time studying, hanging out at Theater Intime, and writing. I had plenty of company.</p>

<p>coffee: as of last fall, the average cost of an eating club membership contract not including social fees was $6,300. this number is straight from the horse's mouth (see link below). if you insist on a further breakdown of costs by individual club, you're probably not going to find it on any publicly available website, or even on a helpful site like this. really, the ranges and averages should be sufficient, because even if you are looking to share this information with prospective applicants, the numbers will likely change quite a bit between now and their junior years at princeton, when they would first be full members at any of the eating clubs.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S16/46/35Q42/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S16/46/35Q42/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>None of the eating clubs are significantly more or less expensive than any of the other clubs. Yes, its a bit more expensive than the dining hall but 20k is just absurd. Almost 80% of students will join a club and if they cost 20k, that percentage would be 0. The average cost is about $6k and fin aid will cover it. And keep in mind that for the vast majority of eating club events, you do not have to be a member to attend. And you only pay dues during your upperclass years if you join (plus a ~$400 fee for your sophomore spring when you join).</p>

<p>Thanks Pimp Daddy.</p>

<p>Since Coffeenchicory1 has posted a similar question about the Finals Clubs on the Harvard board, it may be important to remind readers why the cost of Princeton’s Eating Clubs is so much higher. Harvard’s Finals Clubs do not provide meals (except when associated with a party or other special event). The Eating Club charges substitute for a dining hall contract thus lowering a student’s University term bill. Members of Finals Clubs pay $1,000.00 or less per year for the privilege of membership but they still buy dining hall contracts from Harvard.</p>

<p>Though now a couple of years old, the following articles written by a Yale undergraduate and examining the differences between Harvard’s Finals Clubs, Princeton’s Eating Clubs and Yale’s Secret Societies are still worth reading.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32479%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32479&lt;/a> = on Princeton’s Eating Clubs
<a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32489%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32489&lt;/a> = on Harvard’s Final Clubs
<a href="http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32518%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32518&lt;/a> = on Yale’s Secret Societies</p>

<p>Two important changes have occurred at Princeton since these articles were written in the spring of 2006. Princeton now provides financial aid to cover the additional cost of a food contract at the Eating Clubs so that the modest additional charges for these contracts over a regular dining hall contract are now paid by Princeton for students on financial aid, removing any monetary barrier for lower income students. Also, the opening of Whitman, the creation of the new four year college system and the clubs’ willingness to allow some interested juniors and seniors to remain in their colleges while still belonging to a club are both expected to alter the social landscape considerably.</p>

<p>Responding to questions about laundry--</p>

<p>According to my host last weekend, laundry is free.</p>

<p>Princeton2012, using the laundry machines and dryers is free. There is a laundry service that cleans your clothes and brings them back to you pressed ... this costs about $450 per semester.</p>

<p>Princeton's 100-year war</p>

<p>By Matt Hoberg
Princetonian Columnist</p>

<pre><code>In 1907, University president Woodrow Wilson, Class of 1879, launched the first salvo in the perpetual conflict between the eating clubs and the University when he proposed replacing the clubs with residential colleges. One hundred years later, it's the same old wine in a brand new bottle.

With the advent of the four-year college system, the tensions between the clubs and the University are particularly striking. Nassau Hall pooh-poohs any suggestion that it intends to weaken the club system, but many club members are deeply suspicious of the University's intentions toward Prospect Avenue. All parties seem to harbor suspicions: the University and the Borough toward the clubs, and the clubs toward the University and the Borough.

Three crucial reforms can help resolve these suspicions. First, club presidents need to take full legal responsibility for all alcohol-related incidents. I realize this proposal flies in the face of recent conventional wisdom: Terrace Club's graduate board took the heat for then-president Patti Chao '07 after an intoxicated underage student fell down a staircase and suffered a minor concussion in February last year; and, most recently, all the memebers of Colonial Club and not just its president, Tommy Curry '08, will be completing mandatory community service following the injury this May of an intoxicated underage student who claimed to have been drinking at Colonial.

Both presidents understandably wanted to leave Princeton without criminal records, and neither seems to have been directly involved in the incidents. And, much of the responsibility in these types of incidents ultimately rests with the student who has been drinking. The fact remains, however, that presidents are more responsible than any other individual connected with the clubs. Graduate boards cannot be at clubs during parties to ensure that entrances are secure and wristband systems (like the one used at Colonial) are being properly enforced — but the club president certainly can take these necessary precautions.

Unfortunately, these precautions are not enough to prevent dangerous incidents, as Colonial learned. Yet when those incidents occur, club presidents must ultimately be held responsible, even if they were not directly involved. Why? If we require that club presidents be directly involved in an incident in order to bear legal responsibility as individuals, then it is much more difficult for presidents ever to be charged for any club-related crimes. They could, for instance, simply deny any knowledge of the incident, and it is notoriously difficult to prove what someone did or did not know at a particular time.

While some presidents might welcome this gaping loophole, it seems to exemplify the sheltered naïveté often attributed to our University. Since 2003, five different club presidents have faced charges of serving alcohol to a minor or maintaining a nuisance; none have been found guilty of those charges as individuals. Isn't it interesting that the possibility of club presidents ducking responsibility accompanies a significant number of club-related alcohol infractions? I suppose it hasn't occurred to anyone that the more responsible presidents are for their actions, the more they will do to maintain secure premises; after all, we know how much Princeton students care about having an unblemished resume. Let's close the loophole and have a safer club environment.

Second, the University should increase its financial aid board allotment to better match the true costs of joining an eating club. Despite the $1,500 increase from last year, many students find it difficult to pay clubs' social fees, which were not included in the University's aid calculations. Thus, Prospect Avenue continues to be a rather exclusive locale, a fact which Borough Council members like Roger Martindale have harped on when discussing the tax status of Cottage Club. If the University can increase the board allotment, which at present costs a mere $2 million per annum, even by fifty percent, we would see a much less exclusive Street and a much less hostile Borough Council.

Third, the University and club graduate boards should work together to increase the availability of shared meal plans in every eating club. The reason for this is that the smaller the number of shared meal plans, the more the residential colleges and the eating clubs are involved in a zero-sum game; whenever a student chooses to join a residential college, that is one less student joining an eating club, and vice versa. The University's official stance, that four-year colleges merely create alternatives to the Street and are not meant to take students away from it, can only be true, therefore, when shared meal plans are available in sufficient numbers. As shared meal plans take money away from the clubs, the University should consider reimbursing the clubs for any lost income as a result of these plans.

I suspect that no one will be happy with all of these proposals, and that's precisely the mark of a reasonable compromise.
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<p>Matt Hoberg is a philosophy major from Kennett Square, Pa. He can be reached at <a href="mailto:mhoberg@princeton.edu">mhoberg@princeton.edu</a>.</p>

<p>Ok, this article got a lot of **** when it got published because its a bit absurd. </p>

<p>a) How can the street be considered exclusive when ~80% of students join a club at some point. These arent finals clubs or secret societies, they aren't even as exclusive as the vast majority of frat/sorority scenes. </p>

<p>b) Heap all the blame on the club president? Club presidents do ALOT to ensure that their club is a safe place. It really isn't their fault if some kid pregames in his room and comes over to their club (which is usually the biggest problem).</p>

<p>c) The tax status of Cottage is a different issue. They wanted to be tax exempt but they really aren't open to the town. Thats not really exclusivity...how many frat houses or dormitories are open to the public?</p>

<p>d) A $1500 increase is quite a bit considering that the average club costs about $1500 more than the dining hall. The fact that Princeton students graduate with an incredibly low amount of debt (even though most are part of an eating club) is a testament to the fin aid policy.</p>

<p>Now, Coffee, at first I was willing to believe that you were sincere in the questions you asked and that you are a student considering applying to Princeton. Based on your postings on other threads, I now find that you have strong opinions that suggest otherwise. Those opinions certainly don’t suggest a sincere open mindedness about Princeton. </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=4729846#post4729846%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=4729846#post4729846&lt;/a>
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4731853&postcount=8%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4731853&postcount=8&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It appears you are posting to make a point rather than ask a question or provide information. I don’t believe this is particularly helpful to HS students applying to colleges. </p>

<p>I also notice a large number of laudatory postings about MIT. Just a guess here, but if that is your affiliation you should make it known and provide helpful information about your alma mater. MIT is certainly one of the finest institutions in the country for technology and engineering.</p>

<p>MIT is not my affiliation but I like their website alot and their admission blog idea which it seems you have picked up on in order to personalize Princeton. I have also said great things about Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth and Princeton which you seem to be ignoring in your post. And my point is that you jump on anyone who presents a different script from yours and that is not fair to students. You might think 6-8K isnt alot of money but let me tell you it is alot of money. That is the point. And showing pictures of smiling people on a website to somehow prove how happy everyone is inside the club is not the point. Despite how much money Princeton gives away to let in the "poor" once inside the school the elite separate out immediately and that is something that you cant change simply by letting the "poor" attend YOUR school or by listing stats to prove your diversity goals. And that is my point. Dont you think students should know what to expect once inside even if they are given a free ride? Or do you think they should be glad to be there without paying and keep quiet? Don't underestimate students they prefer to know what the place is like and if they will be comfortable at the school socially thats all. You seem to think this issue has no merit or worse only a troll would bring it up. You know exactly what I was asking of you and Harvard and Yale. They had no problem answering it- only you are hypersensitive.</p>

<p>Oh, Coffee, your motives are crystal clear. </p>

<p>When you posted a similar question about Secret Societies on the Yale board you got no serious answer at all. </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=401231%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=401231&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>When you posted your question about Finals Clubs on the Harvard board you got only approximations. </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=401230%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=401230&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>In both cases, the alumni and students on those boards didn’t take your question seriously enough to show much interest or even respond. The difference here on the Princeton board is that numerous posters have attempted to treat you in a friendly way and try to answer your questions to the best of their ability. You insist, however, on distorting what they have written and engaging in highly provocative and pejorative characterizations. No one has “jumped” on you, only pointed out your very obvious bias and distortions and only after you’ve responded so badly to their attempts to help. Nevertheless, I’ll give it one more try with you. Here we go.</p>

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<p>No, I’m afraid that’s not the point. You’re intentionally misleading readers or you simply aren’t reading carefully enough yourself. Princeton’s most expensive meal contract is currently $5,000.00 per year. The poorest students who are on full financial aid have this entire amount covered in grants that do not have to be repaid. The average of the meal contracts at the Eating Clubs is $6,500.00, that is, about $1,500.00 more per year than the Princeton meal plan. So…Princeton has now raised its grants by that amount whether or not students decide to join a Club. In other words, the poorest students who are on full financial aid now receive a grant of $6,500.00 per year allowing them to pay the full cost of dining at one of the Clubs in lieu of buying a University meal contract. The only additional Club charges that Princeton does not currently cover are the social fees for parties and other activities. These are typically around five hundred dollars per year. </p>

<p>Let’s use Colonial Club as an example. Their fees are listed on their website, which would easily have been found had you looked. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.colonialclub.com/fees.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.colonialclub.com/fees.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Here are their total charges:</p>

<p>BOARD - $6,145.00 (19 meal plan)
BOARD - $5,725.00 (14 meal plan)
BOARD - $3,825.00 (RA 9 meal plan)</p>

<p>PLUS:</p>

<p>CLUB DEPOSIT - $100.00
SOCIAL FEE - $425.00
DUES - $125.00</p>

<p>Now, almost no students find that they end up eating three meals every day. (No one gets up in time for breakfast!) The two meal plan is the most popular. So, Princeton will give the poorest students $6,500.00 for the year. Their typical costs at Colonial will be $5,725.00 for the 14 meal plan, plus Club deposit, social fee and dues for a total of $6,375.00 leaving them with an extra $125.00 in aid that they didn’t even need! Even the hungriest students who want the full 19 meal plan will be able to pay for that plan and still have $355.00 which will cover dues, the Club deposit and a good share of the social fee.</p>

<p>No student, no matter how financially disadvantaged, is in a situation where he or she cannot afford to belong to an Eating Club.</p>

<p>As for the rest of your tirade, it merits no response. I’m happy to let readers look at your other posts and form their own opinions.</p>

<p>...and coffee gets handily smacked down. Thanks for doing that public service, PtonGrad. Not that I think it will really get through to coffee - he/she seems to be approaching the issue with a priori prejudice, and really isn't listening to much of the massive amount of contrary evidence.</p>

<p>Just one note, to add some emphasis to PtonGrad: If you think the street is exclusive, you're insane. Given that 80% of upperclassmen belong to an eating club, and almost everyone on campus parties or has partied at the clubs (and those who haven't are either totally reclusive or really don't want to go), it's a little rich to call the clubs exclusive.</p>

<p>Harvard and Yale members responded privately to me with figures ( dont know why but some chose to) they did not ignore the request.
'Smacked down' - " its a little rich" positively love reading your posts-
Thank you Sir may I have another! Lighten up chums.</p>

<p>I am not a supporter of the club system per se. I am not and never was a loud parties lots of alcohol boys yelling kind of person. </p>

<p>Let's be clear. Some of the clubs are literally exclusive in that you have to bicker to join and you may wind up excluded. But the club system, overall, does allow anyone who wants to join to be in a club. And very few of the clubs have an "elitist" feel, i.e. it's for the rich elite of the world. The cost of the clubs no longer separates kids on the basis of their family income.</p>

<p>I didn't much like the clubs because I am an old hippie and the environment at the clubs was more Republican frats, or Republican country club, or athletes letting it all hang out, or the one "hippie-ish" club was actually too hippie for me. Actually I guess I didn't much like the club I joined - I never even tried the others:).</p>

<p>But it was no issue to quit my club as a senior - I had bickered into Cap and Gown - and become an independent. I never felt left out, I had friends and loved the school with all my heart. I also learned to cook:).</p>

<p>And from what my daughter tells me, the clubs are evolving all the time, and including more ways of being.</p>

<p>What the clubs ARE NOT is a group of rich kids sitting around feeling better than everyone else and excluding them. </p>

<p>So let's put the truth about the clubs out there for all prospective applications to see, not a bunch of thinly veiled implications.</p>

<p>There are those who believe that the clubs, by putting all parties in one place where they are visible, not hidden, make Princeton MORE socially inclusive rather than less. There are those who believe that the clubs, by having a place that is visible for drinking, make the campus safer than places where drinking is hidden in rooms.</p>

<p>I am just mystified by why eating clubs are such a big issue. I know my daughter didn't give them a thought when applying. Granted she's a freshman but she still doesn't give them much thought. She's fully engaged and happy at Princeton(I saw her a week ago and saw for myself). </p>

<p>One thing I will say is that while I was there on saturday evening I found a place to park at a meter in front of a club. When I couldn't get the dome light to go off on my american car rental(go figure i've had an import so long!) a couple of fellas helped me from a club and couldn't have been nicer. </p>

<p>My daughter has no idea if she'll join a club.She doesn't drink but she has junior friends in a club who also don't drink and it is no problem for them.It seems like Princeton is giving students plenty of choices which is a good thing.</p>

<p>Here are the fees for Cottage, one of the bicker clubs.
<a href="http://www.princeton.edu/%7Ecotclub/memdues.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.princeton.edu/~cotclub/memdues.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Six to eight thousand dollars is indeed a lot of money. Princeton is supposed to increase your board by $1,500 to cover the added expense, but this will not be sufficient at some of the clubs (half of them in fact). It is difficult to make generalizations about the clubs. Some of them are elitist, and some of them aren't. Being poor will make it harder for you to fit into certain crowds, but it won't make you feel isolated from the student body as a whole. Like others have said, more than half of the freshman class is on financial aid. I would recommend that you visit and check out the social scene for yourself.</p>