<p>Don’t know about 2013, but the number’s usually in the 10% range. </p>
<p>Remember, “accepted” and “admitted” are not the same. If memory serves, appointments are usually offered to about 1500 applicants, and around 1200 accept, so the number’s not quite as low as your computation.</p>
<p>Not really. The “anyone who types in their name and basic information on the web form” procedure is called a pre application and is slightly more extensive. It is a sliding scale adjusted annually to keep the total number of applicants manageable. Many of these would have completed the application had they been qualified. To eliminate them is no more ‘accurate’ than including those who simply sent away for a free catalog.</p>
<p>Are you aware that your ‘8,822’ number are simply those who have been assigned candidate numbers and have not necessarily completed their applications?</p>
<p>Acceptance rate for a SA means absolutely nothing when attempting to compare it to a civilian university. The comparison is impossible.</p>
Not at all. They merely report the numbers. It is those who attempt to compare ‘apples and oranges’ without an understanding of what they are doing who make it confusing. You got it correct the first time: </p>
<p>Which you have confirmed are meaningless numbers when it comes to answering the OPs question.</p>
<p>USNA’s application numbers include anyone who opens a candidate file and submits their name and address and the name of their school, USNA candidate numbers include anyone who has been assigned a candidate ID# (which I know for a fact it doesn’t take a lot, a simple submission of half of the application is good enough to get a number) even though they never complete the application (again, I know this for a fact).</p>
<p>The only way one can reasonably be assured of an accurate acceptance rate is by counting completed applications and counting the number of appointments.</p>
<p>The reported numbers on the USNA website for class of 2013 are laughably ridiculous. If anyone actually believes that 15,000+ people applied for an appointment they are extremely misinformed.</p>
You are attempting to add an extra step. It is the submittal of the preliminary application (“a simple submission of half the application” including ECAs, SATs, course work, class standings, etc) which triggers the candidate number and also is what is considered an applicant. Since you do not know what the statistics are on completing the application, you have no idea what is ‘laughably ridiculous’.</p>
<p>And like I stated at the beginning, any comparison attempted from these numbers is meaningless.</p>
<p>Do you fall into this category? Do you believe they had 15,000+ applications submitted? </p>
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<p>I might not know what they are, but I know what they aren’t - and they aren’t the 15,000+ which is reported, or even the 8,800+ candidates, and that is what’s laughably ridiculous.</p>
<p>I would hope that someone like yourself, who is reportedly speaking for the Admissions Department and the Academy, would hope to maintain some sense of credibility.</p>
<p>They didn’t have 15,000 people apply for an appointment, they didn’t have 8,800 - what is the real number of completed applications?</p>
Absolutely. They all completed part one of a two part application. Hence my original comment to you that those who were turned down for part two, at least, should be considered applicants. They took the application as far as they were able, no different than someone filling out a piece of paper and sending $50 to Harvard.</p>
<p>That you wish to tie my credibility to your speculations is scary.</p>
<p>Please make this stop. The senseless bickering (that is not at all helpful to the orginial poster) is interrupting the visions of sugar-plums that are attempting to dance in my head. ;-)</p>
<p>To the original poster, the Naval Academy is a difficult place to get into and a harder place to graduate from. But if you look at the attributes of those who receive an appointment and fall in that range, and you REALLY want what the Academy has to offer and the life for which it prepares you, then I say (paraphrasing Farragut) “Damn the statistics, full speed ahead!”</p>
<p>Your explanation once again again proves my point - to report the 15,000+ as an application number is laughably ridiculous. </p>
<p>To count someone who fills out part one (and is denied part two) the same as someone who totally completes an application but does not receive an appointment? That shows that anything but counting completed applications is ego driven and laughably ridiculous.</p>
<p>If a 5 year old fills it out it counts as one, if my grandfather fills it out it counts as one, and if you filled out three it counts as three. Reporting a number that high to appear to be “more competitive” has no reason, other than ego.</p>
<p>“difficult place to get into and a harder place to graduate from.”</p>
<p>Oh, no, . . . .now you will ignite those who will argue that USNA is not “harder” to graduate from because over 80% graduate w/in four years segment, which is higher than civilian colleges, ergo, not “harder” tog raduate from.</p>
<p>Welcome to NA thread-world, where there is ALWAYS, EVERY YEAR, a new participant who assumes the mantle of “must-have-the-last-post” champion; regardless of how insignificant the matter is. Let’s see if this thread can approach 10,000 views; primarily becuase of repetitious posts by two or three members.</p>
Why would your grandfather fill out an application? Mine would have asked why.</p>
<p>Other than ego or an attempt to deceive? How about the truth?</p>
<p>Just a few comments to clear up an apparent misconception about the admissions process. The USNA application process is basically the same as the other two major academies which report the same numbers. Due to the shear volume of applicants and the complexity of the application process, it is in the best benefit of all to have a two-step application process. In addition to those who are either invited to participate further and those who are early rejected, for the marginal, Admissions will ask for further information, most often transcripts. To all three academies this is considered an application and is reported as such. Actually, WP routinely awards LOAs based on the preliminary application, apparently successfully, and, if the truth be known, probably USNA has offered a few in the past. Of course they ask for a follow-up transcript as a part of the process. </p>
<p>Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion but to accuse the Academy’s motives to be either to deceive or to be ego-driven is a little far-fetched.</p>