<p>so does it></p>
Does applying full pay as international help by how much (statistically) than a financial aid studen
<p>Full-pay int’l vs. FA int’l?<br>
or
Full-pay int’l vs. FA domestic?</p>
<p>int’l </p>
<p>There is little to no FA granted to int’l students. If a school cannot award you FA and believes you are unable to enroll without FA, then it will not admit you. </p>
<p>So statistically, your chances of being admitted as an int’l applicant w FA are grim to zero.</p>
<p>seriously… o.o ? grim to zero chances for FA international students even if they are really good?.. thats…awesome… ._. way to get some inspiration while waiting for M10
Lol, jk.
As an intl applicant with FA i know it is very hard to get admitted. That is however, only at the schools that are not need blind. For ex: Andover doesnt even care if you need FA or not, it will admit you first and then grant you the aid.(right? O.o) Many other schools are the same… However, i have to agree that at others schools where the need blind policy is not applied, there are few international students with FA. Exeter sent me a letter about the FA some months ago and it said from the 400 something families they awarded FA to, only 12 were international…</p>
<p>One motivation for international FA would be for diversity. Thus, one would have to come from quite an unusual place. Definitely not from Asia. </p>
<p>what if it is a place where nobody has attended that boarding school??</p>
<p>^^^Definitely will appeal to that school, but I believe that many people don’t understand just how many countries are represented at these schools already. For example, this year alone, the Choate student body represents the following countries:</p>
<p>Afghanistan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bermuda
Brazil
Canada
China
Colombia
Croatia
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Hong Kong
India
Indonesia
Iran
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Malyasia
Mexico
Monaco
Nigeria
Phillipines
Russia
Rwanda
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
South Korea
St Johns, Antigua & Barbuda
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
Vietnam
Zimbabwe</p>
<p>Does that mean that Choate won’t be interested in another student from Rwanda? No, not at all, but I think most of these schools have seen applicants from the far flung reaches of the globe. Haven’t seen any students from Xanadu or Westeros yet.</p>
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12 out of 400 (3%) isn’t “grim” in your book? And Exeter is particlarly generous, having a billion bollar endowment. </p>
<p>I can appreciate why schools are loathe to give FA to int’l applicants. It is difficult to verify the assets of a family living in another country, to ascertain that the family truly merits receiving scarce FA funds. </p>
<p>I recently had to liaise w an int’l family whose child is an applicant. This family told us they are asking for FA. I had a hard time reconciling their request for FA w their posh home address and Mercedes Benz-- the father was not a chauffeur. </p>
<p>So does applying full pay make my chances much better? By how much as a Asian? And how much do i need on my ISEE’s</p>
<p>GMTplus7 i know it is an extremely low chance and very “grim”. i was only referring to the fact that that statement is particularly crushing for our poor souls 
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<p>Regarding what you said, I am also an international, but in my country, being a middle class family is like… VERY below average american family… so i dont think the schools will have a difficult time determining my need ._.</p>
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@OP, u keep asking pretty much the same question over and over, like **u are waiting for someone to give u the answer that u want to hear. **</p>
<p>OK… Let’s look at Exeter as an example. RockComet said 12 int’l students receive FA. 12 is roughly 1% of the 1100 student body. Exeter has 9% int’l students. That means the other 8% is fullpay.</p>
<p>8% fullpay / 1% FA = 800%
There are 8X more fullpay int’l slots than FA int’l slots</p>
<p>Exeter is much more generous to int’l students, compared to most other selective BS. At the other schools roughly 15% of the student body is int’l, and the percentage of int’l students receiving FA is 0%.</p>
<p>15% fullpay / 0% FA = Undefined
Chances for fullpay int’l is INFINITELY better than chances for FA int’l, because the chance of FA int’l is zero.</p>
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The problem is that American schools cannot readily verify the financial situation of foreigners, by using U.S. Internal Revenue Service tax documents that the American parents have to provide. The family I recently met w had written in some incredibly humble occupations for the parents that did not jibe with their incredibly posh home and lifestyle (they mentioned that they had been to the U.S. numerous times to visit Florida & Hawaii). </p>
<p>Perhaps some understanding of the mission of the elite American boarding schools is needed. These schools are not international schools. My teenage kids attended international schools most of their lives, so I am aware of the different dynamics at play. </p>
<p>The elite American BS add a small number of int’l students to the mix (10-15% of the student body) to add global diversity and perspective. However, the schools exist to primarily educate American children; otherwise, they would simply take the best students from around the world and not care about the percentage of American students enrolled. Since int’l students are “nice to have” but not essential to the school’s mission, most schools are not prepared to subsidize them w FA, especially since there is no shortage of rich, qualified ones. The schools that are willing to subsidize int’ls are also the hardest ones to get into. </p>
<p>If it makes u feel any better, since u are Albanian, your chances of getting admitted w FA are a lot better than than for an applicant from China of SKorea. There are few, if any, students from Albania in the schools and few applicants. In contrast, there are hundreds of applicants from China of SKorea to each of the top BS, and plenty of these families are ungodly rich. </p>
<p>A school might offer an int’l applicant FA if the applicant walks-on-water. But i seriously doubt any school will give FA just to add a country. </p>
<p>“u are waiting for someone to give u the answer that u want to hear”</p>
<p>THIS.</p>
<p>So many people come to the forum seemingly not looking for well-intentioned third-party advice from people who have successfully gone through the BS process (or shepherded a child or three through it) — but rather for people to tell them what they want to hear.</p>
<p>If you are only interested in hearing what you want to hear, the current crop of active parent posters is not your best bet!</p>
<p>For international students from the non-English speaking countries the TOEFL, IELTS or any other English proficiency test is required. Thus, the AO will look for the stats of this particular international student, if this student can manage the program in English. The top schools do not offer ESL (English as Second Language) classes/programs, so if the stats of a candidate show the weakness in the future language of instruction (at the schools that you apply to), than being FA or FP does not really matter and will most likely result in the rejection. </p>