<p>It is disheartening to see that we as a nation dont care about the disparity in our own country.
If everyone knew the facts, they would be willing. Most people still think thats it is just black people wanting a hand out. It makes me sad to talk about it.</p>
<p>It doesnt need to be taxpayer money; you yourself can go and give $100 to the United Negro College Fund or something like it.</p>
<p>If I had $100....</p>
<p>i hear you on that one. but i wish more people knew the facts and did more.</p>
<p>Sure, don't we all. (Oh, I guess not)</p>
<p>my major's soc, and this is pretty much the reason why i chose soc, intend to do somting about is disparity.</p>
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The book pretty much says that whites are intrinsically smarter than blacks (which actually is true but I definitely dont think is inherent
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<p>How did you come to the conclusion that "whites are smarter than blacks?"</p>
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as a group black people have a lower intelligence than whites, but it is not related to genes at all, it is because as a group they have less IQ stimuli, educational chances and a bunch of other reasons. but it is not due to anything inherent.
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<p>You are confusing Intelligence Quotient, a possibly culturally biased measure of intelligence and actual degree of ability, which can be measured in multiple ways. There's such thing as multiple intelligences.</p>
<p>Read up.</p>
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Well yes, but we have to understand that is not everyone. But that is why blacks make less than whites (as well as racism). We also have to do something about it, we have to proactive on education for minorities and send more $ to urban areas and less to upper-class areas. This is proof that we need to do something! Minorities are at a disadvantage!
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<p>Blacks make less than whites because, on the whole, they "are less intelligent??" I'd love to see anything of repute proving this correlation, all other things held constant. Whoops, that's impossible.</p>
<p>I like how you try to shroud your ignorant statement under the guise of altruism. You were right the second time, in part, at least. It has to do with racism. It also has to do with historical circumstance, socioeconomic discrepancies and a difference in values.</p>
<p>pofreshnyc,
Q: How did you come to the conclusion that "whites are smarter than blacks?"
A: They use IQ tests and comparative longitudinal studies</p>
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You are confusing Intelligence Quotient, a possibly culturally biased measure of intelligence and actual degree of ability, which can be measured in multiple ways. There's such thing as multiple intelligences
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<p>Were on the same side, the IQ tests are somewhat culturally bias, But you don’t even know why... The reason why they are culturally bias is that different groups aren’t exposed to the different component of the test like spatial reasoning. Moreover, that goes back to my main point, minorities are not getting enough of the right things like education and proper development at young ages.
READ UP.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the IQ test is the best quantitative measurement of intelligence.</p>
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Blacks make less than whites because, on the whole, they "are less intelligent??" I'd love to see anything of repute proving this correlation, all other things held constant. Whoops, that's impossible.
I like how you try to shroud your ignorant statement under the guise of altruism. You were right the second time, in part, at least. It has to do with racism. It also has to do with historical circumstance, socioeconomic discrepancies and a difference in values.
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<p>I agree with you completely, it may seem that I was putting too much emphasis on the less intelligent thing being the reason why the make less, but I made the correlation because the topic was intelligence and not race, status and values; if you want I could give you a 10 page list of reasons why.</p>
<p>“I'd love to see anything of repute proving this correlation, all other things held constant. Whoops, that's impossible”
Are you kidding me. There is literally tons of statistical data to prove this. In the book the Bell Curve is all about this (the book is wrong because they contribute it to genetics and I contribute it to historical disadvantages, the class differences in education, and family and cultural ideals) But, if you look in the Bell Curve on page 322 and 323 you just one example of intelligence and income. There are also tons of other gov’t-funded stats out there about this. </p>
<p>Were on the same side.</p>
<p>saying the problem is not there is not going to solve anying.</p>
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the book is wrong because they contribute it to genetics and I contribute it to historical disadvantages, the class differences in education, and family and cultural ideals
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Well I say you're wrong. So there.</p>
<p>How about saying "I disagree with the book." I'm sure you don't have the kind of evidence to firmly say the book is wrong.</p>
<p>I dont but there has been papers i have read that by Phd's that say and prove the book is wrong.
example:
In the Article “Race, Genetics, and IQ” by Richard Nisbett, he writes that the black white statistical IQ gap has closed by 30% from 1970 to 1990. That data shows that the black IQ is escalating at a phenomenal rate, this means that that change is not genetic but cultural. It would be impossible for genes to change so greatly over such a short amount of time. It would have to a social change for such a rapid change, in fact this is reason why America needs more emphasis on the inner-city urban areas where the black culture is in desperate need of education that they are being deprived of.</p>
<p>anglj1, you sure know how to back things up</p>
<p>I dont believe that white people are smarter than black people. I do believe that more black people are born into situations where education is not as valued as it should be, and because of that they don't learn as much.</p>
<p>And where do hispanics and asians fit into this discussion?</p>
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I dont believe that white people are smarter than black people. I do believe that more black people are born into situations where education is not as valued as it should be, and because of that they don't learn as much.
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<p>that's what everyone has been saying , there is no good evidence for genetic differences, a lot of what the book said about genes was not true. Here a quote: Georgetown University Professor of Health Studies Craig T. Ramey “Within the sophisticated research community, the opinion has been virtually unanimous that The Bell Curve was a primitive, over simplistic and flawed analysis”</p>
<p>each group has their own values, historical background, prejudice and socioeconomic status. So, those different things makes a group different from one another and thus maybe even a different IQ; a perfect example is Asians in college, the values of that particular group make for the importance of education.
I know I'm oversimplifying everything but you get the idea.</p>
<p>The reason why it seems to be between blacks an with is because that is where the greatest disparity lies.</p>
<p>^ wow, are you some kind of Race,IQ, gene expert</p>
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Are you kidding me. There is literally tons of statistical data to prove this. In the book the Bell Curve is all about this (the book is wrong because they contribute it to genetics and I contribute it to historical disadvantages, the class differences in education, and family and cultural ideals) But, if you look in the Bell Curve on page 322 and 323 you just one example of intelligence and income. There are also tons of other gov’t-funded stats out there about this.
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<p>The Bell Curve has been debunked by most of the scientific community. If I were you, I wouldn't even bring it into the discussion. </p>
<p>You still don't get it, though. We're NOT saying the same thing. Statistics show that black students perform better on tests when they think teachers aren't assuming negative things about them. You and I might both agree that this suggests something outside of genetics. However, you say conditioning makes black students less intelligent. I say it makes black students not perform fully in situations that reflect the intelligence already within them. There are plenty of kids in school--whether lazy, apathetic, party-animals--who are extremely smart but just don't do work. Same applies here. This is precisely why every statistic, journal, article, etc (many racist) that points to a discrepancy in intelligence is flawed. The only inequality is how comfortable certain people feel in expressing it.</p>
<p>i for one welcome our new white masters.</p>
<p>You think asians superiority in math has no genetic basis? Its not JUST about extra studying</p>
<p>One (racial) group does very well, and correspondingly one group might do below the norm, quite logical in fact</p>
<p>However its an AGGREGATE GROUP CHARACTERISTIC, quite real, however if one just assumes it invariably applies individually in random case, then it gets into racism</p>
<p>As for the BELL CURVE book being condemned in the academic community. Gee what a surprise - I would have never guessed</p>
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The Bell Curve has been debunked by most of the scientific community. If I were you, I wouldn't even bring it into the discussion.
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<p>yes, their conclusions are totally dismissed but much of their data is not because it come from outside sources such as the Census Bureau and Bureau of Labor Statistics.</p>
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I say it makes black students not perform fully in situations that reflect the intelligence already within them.
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<p>That’s a fantastic point I never even thought of, it probably doesn’t make up 100% of the reason but it certainly plays some part. Thanks</p>
<p>Climate can affect general intelligence over the longer term for an aggregate group, however it could also improve physical intelligence - to the extent one considers it a type of intelligence</p>
<p>Take the case of the first generation descendants arriving in America, early in the 17th century, and consider the fact that the location in Plymouth, MA was marked by distinctive seasonal factors, meaning the settlers knew that w/o intense prepration in the spring and summer for later fall and winter -they would not survive.</p>
<p>The climate itself in effect over many years helped induce the creativity and inventiveness of the entire group</p>
<p>If the same group had arrived in an equatorial region (and lets say moved inland away from using the ocean itself as the primary food souce), and fruit and other food sources grew naturally, and shelter needed to be very minimal -and the seasonal variations were virtually non-existent - its possible that physical factors would be the primary improvement - as the the need for protection from animals would assume primary importance -as opposed to the inventiveness and creativity typically inspired by the year after year expected onslaught of deep winter in the moderate to extreme seasonal variations in climate areas </p>
<p>Its no secret that man's primary advancements have not occured in equatorial regions, however instead in moderate climates having signficant seasonal variation -unless per chance they were near trade routes, which normally would mean there was close proximity to ocean areas, which of course brings in other factors</p>